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Sean Arble
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STONEHAM
« on: August 17, 2007, 10:11:39 AM »

Had the opportunity to play a few games down in Hampshire this week.  I was greatly looking forward to seeing Stoneham again after many, many years.  We also played North Hants.  Either I am getting older and noticed the hills of Stoneham more than when I was a relative flat belly or Stoneham has gotten hillier.  Overall, I was very impressed with the course, especially the par 4s.  One weakness is the par 3s - not bad, but considering there are five, I would expect to see a few very good ones, but that isn't the case.  On the flip side, there are five par 5s and a few are very good.  I think the course is a Willie Park Jr.  How much is changed, I don't know.  However, the routing is very interesting because the front nine goes counter-clockwise around the perimeter of the course and the back nine essentially goes clockwise around the inside of the front nine.  I believe this was designed before Muirfield.  Perhaps Colt learned something from Park Jr.  In any case, the player is left constantly trying to gauge the swirling winds and wondering where the course will turn next.  Now for the course.

#1 - a short par 5 that is very reachable, but the second is blind and anything left off the tee continues to push down the hill.  Good starter, but one may often feel as if they have already lost ground if a birdie isn't earned.  The first also reveals evidence of Stoneham's attempt to regenerate some heather, a move which is proving to be popular among many heathland courses.    


#2 is a decent par 3.  The course really gets going with #3.  To carry the ridge requires a solid strike of maybe 250 yards, anything short leaves a blind approach.  An excellent hole!


The 4th is the first of many blind tee shots.  In this instance, a burn lies about 250 - 270 out, very reachable for some.  The approach to #4.  One can easily see the severity of the green leaning right.  This is another excellent hole!


#6 is another short par 5, but getting home in two is tough because the immediate approach to the green is severely uphill and protected at each green corner by a bunker.  The 7th is most unusual.  A 230 yard par 3 uphill and a obscured.  One can work the ball in from the right around the greenside bunkering, but there are trees which come into play.  I must say that I admire the hole without totally liking it.  In other words, it makes me feel very uncomfortable on the tee.  Every course needs holes like this which just niggle the player.

The 8th is another one shotter.  Its not a bad hole, but somehow I think better use of the land could have been achieved.  Its a bit of a letdown considering how the previous holes used the land expertly.


The 9th reminds me of Ross - an up and over hole.  #10 is the third par 3 in four holes.  This isn't one of the best stretches of the courses because two of the short holes lack any flair of the many of the par 4s.

Another obscured drive 11th is a cracker!  Below is the approach to this shelf green.


The 12th is a wonderful 3 shotter which once again plays longer than its suggested yardage.  All of the par 5s at Stoneham share this characteristic.  #13 is a most unusual hole.  It is a reachable par 4, but blind and with trees guarding the left of the green.  The smart play is a 200 yard layup leaving a shot straigh up the alley.  After considerable thought on this hole I have come to the conclusion that #13 is one of the world's great short par 4s.  

#14 continues the fun with a slinging legger to the right.  This par 5 is reachable, but dangerous.  Below is a closer view of the terrain and how a pushed 2nd leads to a blind third.  The the fairway feeds beautifully into the green with a hard left to right roll.  Just a wonderful hole which once again takes full advantage of the land at hand.


Hang onto your hats because 15 is another rollercoaster.  Though I really dislike the trees planted out on the right which help guide the player.  #16 is a short par 3 with a big front bunker, a left bunker and a rear bunker - all hidden.  The green is like an L with the long part of the green to the right of the big tree.  One of the few god par 3s on the course.  Water is not totally absent at Stoneham.  The stream on #17 was created some 15 years ago.  I think it is a great success which really strengthens this mid length par 4. #18 is an uphill par 5 snaking toward the clubhouse.  Not a great finisher, but an opportunity for a birdie at the last.

What can I say?  I was totally taken aback at the quality of Stoneham and I cannot praise it enough.  It is every bit as good as many London courses, but like Beau Desert, it is in an unfashionable city (Southampton) and therefore receives few accolades.  I am not quite sure how to rate Stoneham.  I think I need another go!  In truth, for anybody interested in seeing how a course using its terrain supremely, Stoneham should not be missed.  It is a great day out and can be had for £50 (£45 for a round).

Ciao  
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Re:Stoneham
« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2007, 12:14:05 PM »

Sean
as always, thanks very much for the pictures (and the always helpful commentary).

To my mind, you're a lucky fellow, and one with very good taste: whether it's seaside or parkland courses, you always seem to be choosing/playing amongst the PRETTIEST courses I've ever seen.

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« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2007, 02:02:34 PM »

For my rant of the day....

One of the best things about this site, in my opinion, is the exposure to some of these great "unknown" courses in the British Isles.  There have been so many of these profiled here that don't get much attention vs. the Open hosts and famous courses that even Americans know about.  The "normal" or "solid local" course in the UK destroys the same in the US, even here in New England where we have many historical, well-designed mature courses.  I know a course like, say, Myopia, is one of the better old courses in the US, but I see profiles like this, and they look almost the same.  I would play a course like that any day if I lived nearby, something I wouldn't say about more than a couple of the local publics around Boston.  The "solid local" course profiled in this thread is well-maintained, well-designed, quirky, fun, and probably has some history.  At best, our "solid local" courses here have only two or three of those qualties per course.

Thanks Sean!

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Re:Stoneham
« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2007, 02:14:39 PM »

Arbs,
gorgeous, just gorgeous.

Lucky for us, in Hertford, Hereford and Hampshire, hurricanes hardly ever happen!!! Grin

Heathland in August is among my ultimate golf faves. The colours/textures/light combo is v. intoxicating. I can smell the pines and heather from here.

This pic:

says it all.

I bet the green fees were a bargain too!

FBD.
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« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2007, 02:53:19 PM »

Sean,
clearly that english beer has finally befuddled your brain. I haven't spoken of the BB (one 'n') here.

Funnily enough, Uncle Boab once mentioned he'd like to visit to play Huntly (he mentioned another GCAer also with a 'course name', which escapes me for the moment. Help, dear uncle!)

Wouldn't it be cool to play the course with an association to your name! I must get to BB sometime. Shame on me, once again.

What others do we have amongst our brethren? We have plenty (st)Andrews, a few (royal st)Georges. There's gotta be a Cullen, a Meldrum, a Dunbar, there is a Ralston!, is there an Erskine or a Peebles?, a Gifford or a Dunbar? Where are you?

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Re:Stoneham
« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2007, 03:03:54 PM »

Quote from: Brad Tufts on August 17, 2007, 02:02:34 PM
The "normal" or "solid local" course in the UK destroys the same in the US...snip

And, you can PLAY THEM!

That's the cool part.

In the US, courses of comparable quality tend to be private and exclusive.

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Re:Stoneham
« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2007, 04:33:21 AM »

Thanks Sean - great looking course that enters the list! I love the look and feel of some of the fairways which testify to a course that has been around a long time.

Philip
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« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2007, 03:36:49 AM »

Sean, I'm so pleased you liked Stoneham. I've been banging on about it for years. It's interesting to note that the Brabazon Trophy (our national amateur strokeplay) was played there in 1993 and it is a course of 6400 yards. I wonder how they fared with the blind shots. A friend of mine's son, who is now a young professional, played two rounds here as an amateur six or seven years ago. In the morning he shot in the high 80s, falling into all the traps. In the afternoon he was round in 64 or 65 - this time he knew where the traps (and I don't mean bunkers) were!
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« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2007, 05:31:39 PM »

Quote from: Mark_Rowlinson on August 22, 2007, 03:36:49 AM
Sean, I'm so pleased you liked Stoneham. I've been banging on about it for years. It's interesting to note that the Brabazon Trophy (our national amateur strokeplay) was played there in 1993 and it is a course of 6400 yards. I wonder how they fared with the blind shots. A friend of mine's son, who is now a young professional, played two rounds here as an amateur six or seven years ago. In the morning he shot in the high 80s, falling into all the traps. In the afternoon he was round in 64 or 65 - this time he knew where the traps (and I don't mean bunkers) were!

Mark

I didn't just like Stoneham, I fell very hard for it!  I would certainly go out of my way to play it again.  

Ciao
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« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2007, 06:11:41 PM »

I missed this post, Sean.  Absolutely beautiful.  

My take re Colt/Park:  I don't think Colt was too thrilled with Park blindness (tee shots and bunkers), but I do think he admired Willie's routing skills and ability to locate and utilize natural features.
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Re:Stoneham
« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2007, 07:18:10 PM »

Hey Peter,

Let's go visit Sean for a month or so...... Grin

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« Reply #11 on: August 22, 2007, 08:18:55 PM »

Ah, wouldn't that be nice, Joe. I'd enjoy that.  

But still, my first ever golfclubatlas.com road trip is going to be to Grand Rapids, Michigan. That's for certain.

Hey, I think Sean is from Michigan originally. A coincidence?

Yeah, probably just a coincidence Grin

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« Reply #12 on: August 23, 2007, 03:14:31 AM »

Quote from: JMorgan on August 22, 2007, 06:11:41 PM
I missed this post, Sean.  Absolutely beautiful.  

My take re Colt/Park:  I don't think Colt was too thrilled with Park blindness (tee shots and bunkers), but I do think he admired Willie's routing skills and ability to locate and utilize natural features.

J Morgan

It is certainly my impression that Colt was not a fan of blind shots - especially approaches.  Though I wouldn't go so far as to say there was any radical idea (during Colt's period)of placing greens on high ground as opposed to low ground as TomP seems to be suggesting on th eDarwin thread.  Part and parcel of using the land well is placing the greens in natural spots: high, low, shelf and whatever else.  Like all of the best archies, Colt used  existing ideas and tried (quite successfully I would say) to improve on them.  

For my part, I never gave Willie Jr much thought.  However, now that I have come across two cracking courses of his which are as different as chalk and cheese (save for using the land superbly) I have a much greater respect for the man and his skills.

Peter & Hey Joe

You are welcome to visit.  I can pitch a tent in the garden and throw a few extra steaks on the Q.  Just don't ask me to pay your green fees.  Alright, I will pay for a game at Pennard because everybody should see that course at least once.  You may have to get in line though.  I hear JakaB is lining up freebies  up and down our fair isle, but I don't think the man has the gumption to actually leave North America in pursuit of his golfing nirvana.  

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