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Michael Blake

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Would any architect today attempt this?
« on: August 13, 2007, 10:26:54 AM »
* Become inspired to build a golf course based on a golf publication's, "Best Holes Discussion."

* Publicly acknowledge that the holes you are building are, "Similar to..., Composites of..., Resembling..., Like..., Suggested by...", these known great holes of the UK.

* On a different course to be built you hold a contest where people submit their designs of a par four and the winning one will be built on your course.  And you admittedly use concepts from lots of the other entries that did not win as design features on some of the other holes.



O.K. I just got back from vacation and read, "Scotland's Gift" for the first time. It was interesting to read some of the criticisms C.B.M. faced when he proposed his ideas for building National.  

What kind of comments would an architect receive today for doing something similar to what C.B.M. did 100 years ago at National and at Lido?  

Genius?  Brazen?  Unimaginative?  Creative or Uncreative?  Controversial?

I'm positive I know the least about CBM than anyone on this DG and appreciate any comments.


Next on my list is Mr Bahto's book "The Evangeslist."  Maybe he can reply with some quotes of the day regarding praise/criticisms of CBM's intentions of building The National.


Eric Smith

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Re:Would any architect today attempt this?
« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2007, 11:14:18 AM »
A fine question Michael.  I had exactly the same questions about 3 1/2 years ago when I too read Scotland's Gift and George Bahto's book.  So I called Mr. Bahto and asked him basically your very question. Boy is he exciting to talk to on this subject!  :D

I had just read the Dec. 2003 Links Magazine cover story, 'Tribute or Travesty' and felt there was a place for a new course in my market, built with the same model that CBM used. Specifically, as Mr. Bahto explained to me, using the same 'strategies' of the great holes not just trying to replicate great holes by cut and fill methods.

My plan is to build a strategic golf course on my family's farm in Tennessee. It is a tremendous piece of property.  Hopefully in 3-4 years we'll get started.  

Best,
Eric

Michael Blake

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Re:Would any architect today attempt this?
« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2007, 12:26:29 PM »
Best of luck Eric.

I'll take your word that your farm is a tremendous piece of property for such a project.

Finding the right property certainly seemed to be the most important aspect of CBM's idea.  I guess he wouldn't have attempted it if he didn't/couldn't find the perfect property.

RJ_Daley

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Re:Would any architect today attempt this?
« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2007, 12:41:58 PM »
I'd also like to wish Eric good luck!  

But, it isn't as if this hasn't already be done to great success by Black Creek in Chatanooga.  Brian Silva did a Raynor-CBM genre tribute to high acclaim.

ONe thing I think we have to consider when pondering this good question is the context of the times.  Let's face it, the world of golf, the number of great golf holes was hardly ubiquitous in those early days of 1900-1920s.  Copying the style and playing strategies of the greats of GB%I was taking from a much narrower universe than now.

But what works, works, IMHO.  A great architect will somehow be able to imbue the design with his own personal touches, and the contructors will shine in their craftsmanship, but a template hole will still have basics that are the same in any era.  Old McDonald is obviously headed to undertake the comments you have made Mr. Blake, and with their line-up of consulting designers, I think it is very exciting to anticipate what they will do.  

As far as a contest winner, recreating that hole, I think that is best left for a tribute course of a collection of copy holes, not an interpretation course like Old McDonald.  But, I still think the idea is valid if managed correctly, and brings more people and contestant designers into golf in an inclusive way with real rewards of seeing one's dreams come true in the dirt.  But, it takes a great construction team to be faithful and craftsmanlike in carrying out the interpretations...
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