[Sean_A]

George, you have some catching up to do!

This hole is a strange one to take in - there is a lot happening.  

POSITIVES: 1) The green, its superb without being anything like ott.  The combination of the left greenside bunker and the raised back of the green are a wonderful compliment to each other.  2) I like how the hole flows to the right.  I think some thought has to be given to running out of space on the left.  3) The little hump guearding the front left!  4) The interplay between the centreline bunkers and the first set of fw bunkers on the right.  The best line of approach is well protected, but not so much so as not to tempt.

NEGATIVES: 1) The left fw bunker.  A bailout option normally leaving a poor angle is limited.  The rough is more than enough defense down this line - PENAL BUNKER.  2) Layup area after trying to recover from a wayward drive (or for a short hitter) is awfully narrow and there is a bunker guarding the best approach line.

VERDICT: Very good hole that most would be very pleased to earn a par on - almost like a birdie which means its really one of those 4.5 par holes.

SUGGESTION: 1) Fill in outside left bunker.  The rough and poor angle are enough pain for taking the safe option off the tee.  2)  Not sure two bunkers are necessary on the right corner.  I would fill in the right one and create fairway around the left one.  If I recall correctly the land on the right flows toward the left bunker.  This could make for a stonking collecting bunker.  3) Fill in lone fw bunker on right.  Its a layup area for somebody already in trouble.  4) Widen fairway where it narrows after the lone right bunker - see #3.

#2 463 yards



TOTAL OF BUNKERS FILLED IN: 3

Ciao

[Ally Mcintosh]

i can sense that this is turning in to a 'how many bunkers to get rid of?' thread...

...for what it's worth, i might get rid of the left fairway bunker at driving distance and the lone greenside bunker on the right... i'd leave the rest... i may even extend the green front left bunker making the approach shot from the left slightly more difficult...

...any thoughts on that theory?

[George Pazin]

Love the hole.

I love the bunkers scattered everywhere - scare the crap out of every golfer. It also provides interest for the guys who don't just knock it down the middle every time. Why shouldn't someone like me, who might hook it 40 yards out to the left, have a random bunker lurking? Or face flirting with an unusual one on a layup shot?

I love the bailout bunker - who says every hole should have an easy bogey route? Only RTJ, who isn't ranked among the great dead guys....

Although I do have new found respect for flanking bunkers, which I'll detail at some later date.

[Pete Lavallee]

While you're at it Sean, you may as well fill in the burn which punishes foozled tee shots.

[Sean_A]

Love the hole.

I love the bunkers scattered everywhere - scare the crap out of every golfer. It also provides interest for the guys who don't just knock it down the middle every time. Why shouldn't someone like me, who might hook it 40 yards out to the left, have a random bunker lurking? Or face flirting with an unusual one on a layup shot?

I love the bailout bunker - who says every hole should have an easy bogey route? Only RTJ, who isn't ranked among the great dead guys....

Although I do have new found respect for flanking bunkers, which I'll detail at some later date.

George

It didn't take long to find common ground eh?  I don't mind the idea of a few holes with bunkers scattered everywhere, but it gets old hole after hole.  

Ciao

[Paul_Turner]

The green axis is pointing at that left hand bunker more than any other fairway bunker on the hole.  And it looks like the terrain gathers into it too-off that ridge.  You want to fire your second straight down that long green,  you have to flirt with that bunker on your drive.

Keep the bunker but widen the fairway beyond it on the left.

PS

In general, I reckon Carnoustie is somewhere in the middle of the rota in quality.

[Tommy_Naccarato]

Braid's is perfect AS-IS. Leave it alone!

[Sean_A]

The green axis is pointing at that left hand bunker more than any other fairway bunker on the hole.  And it looks like the terrain gathers into it too-off that ridge.  You want to fire your second straight down that long green,  you have to flirt with that bunker on your drive.

Keep the bunker but widen the fairway beyond it on the left.

PS

In general, I reckon Carnoustie is somewhere in the middle of the rota in quality.

Paul

The best angle is for the good pin placements is the from the right and the other side of the green is not a bad angle either.  The back tier pushes balls slightly away from the left greenside bunker.  Coming in from the left brings both of the left green bunkers and mounding in play.  Many, many pros from spots in the rough or fairway left were caught up in some trouble or another on this side during the Open.  Sorry, I gave into an unnecessary penal bunker placement on the 1st, not this time. Plus, I think you may be forgetting how thing this hole is for the punters.  Something like 430.  Given this I don't think it unreasonable to leave the poor side of the fairway defended by  rough only.

I don't know where I would place Carnoustie in the Rota in terms of quality.  Probably heaped in with several (Lytham, Troon & Hoylake) which I don't think are nearly as good as is widely believed.

Ciao

[Paul_Turner]

Sean

I can't agree with you regarding the angles.  The best position is from the left, looking down the length of the green.

[George Pazin]

Braid's is perfect AS-IS. Leave it alone!

Just to be clear, were I given free rein, I wouldn't actually change anything (unless someone could show me the change had been made relatively recently and didn't pan out as expected). When I make any suggestions on these threads, they are merely theoretical.

 

I think we've stalled out after only 2 holes.

* Whoops, didn't notice the new threads.

[Sean_A]

Sean

I can't agree with you regarding the angles.  The best position is from the left, looking down the length of the green.

Paul

I am not sure why you think this.  From the left you can only access left side pins by air and a front left pin is essentially blind.  Additionally, the green is not seriously angled even coming in from the right to a right pin isn't a hardship.  Additionally, additionally, the green does slide a bit left to right.  Perhaps these are reasons for recently making the bunkering more severe on the right side of the fairway rather than the left.

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