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Scott Szabo

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U.S. Senior Open
« on: July 06, 2007, 12:44:27 AM »
I didn't get a chance to catch any of it today, but was looking through the scores and saw a 90, with a 14 on hole #8.  The guy hit ten of fourteen fairways, pretty good for the Open.  

Eduardo Romero threw out a 66, so Whistling Straits obviously can be scored on.  

Where was Michele Wie's manager when we need him to call for an injury withdrawal prior to finishing the round?

In all seriousness, it must be a tough thing to go through for him.  Hopefully tomorrow brings better luck!
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Tiger_Bernhardt

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Re:U.S. Senior Open
« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2007, 02:36:32 AM »
I hope to see some of this most impotant event. When I was there a few weeks back the rough was so green and healthy I would think it could be very difficult to do anything but punch/hack out. We were discussing today how short the SR open was set up at Prairie Dunes today. I wonder what WS will be set up for? WS was not playing like a links course either. I remember time after time when a ground shot was the shot to be played and it was too soft to do so. Maintenance and preparation is so huge. I hope the USGA has not botched this event.

Mike_Young

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Re:U.S. Senior Open
« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2007, 08:37:58 AM »

I hope to see some of this most impotant event. When I was there a few weeks back the rough was so green and healthy I would think it could be very difficult to do anything but punch/hack out. We were discussing today how short the SR open was set up at Prairie Dunes today. I wonder what WS will be set up for? WS was not playing like a links course either. I remember time after time when a ground shot was the shot to be played and it was too soft to do so. Maintenance and preparation is so huge. I hope the USGA has not botched this event.

John,
I think you will find that Mike Davis is going to do a very good job with the USGA events.....he seems to have a good idea of where to fo with it....JMO

Is it hot down there.....is here,
Mike
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Tiger_Bernhardt

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Re:U.S. Senior Open
« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2007, 12:01:32 PM »
Mike hot and rainy at home. I fortunately am in Seattle upps Tacoma watching the grass grow at Chambers Bay. Lots of nice 80 degree sun light here.

John Keenan

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Re:U.S. Senior Open
« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2007, 12:59:44 PM »
WS looks like it might be a tough walk for some on the Champions tour. Are carts still allowed on this tour?

Must admit on TV the course is visually stunning.
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Mike Vegis @ Kiawah

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Re:U.S. Senior Open
« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2007, 01:41:16 PM »
Stunning but I don't see much in the way or crowds...

JohnV

Re:U.S. Senior Open
« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2007, 01:42:20 PM »
The USGA has never allowed carts at the Senior Open, only the Senior Amateur.

The only exception is the Casey Martin Rule that allows a player to petition for a cart if they have a true medical handicap.

I believe the Champions Tour is allowing carts again.

Phil McDade

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Re:U.S. Senior Open
« Reply #7 on: July 06, 2007, 02:05:16 PM »
Stunning but I don't see much in the way or crowds...

Mike:

WS is sort of an odd course in which to watch golf in person. It's basically an elongated T, with the 1st, 9th, 10th and 18th holes forming the vertical portion of the T, and then the two nines -- front nine loop out toward the right, the back nine loop out to the left -- forming the long horizontal portions of the T. At least at the '04 PGA, it was nearly impossible to get on the lakeside portion of the holes fronting Lake Michigan, and because of some other landforms (the wetlands @ 5 and 6, the ravine between 9 and 18, the ravine crossing the tee shot of the 10th), there are places where you simply can't walk on the course.

It's a long way of saying that -- when I was there in '04 -- the crowds on the course are essentially concentrated in a (relatively) few spots. In addition, Kohler built the course to hold majors, and all of the corporate tents, dining facilities, and whatnot are pretty much removed from the rest of the course, away from any of the action. Thus, those spillover crowds have to make a major hike to see anything on the course, reducing the number of people "on" the course at any one time. It's a far more spread out site than many other major tourney sites.

Michael Blake

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Re:U.S. Senior Open
« Reply #8 on: July 06, 2007, 03:33:46 PM »
How many of those bunkers are NOT in play.  Looks like alot, when viewing the aerials they were showing.


Loved seeing Gentle Ben wearing a 'Coore & Crenshaw' hat.

Garland Bayley

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Re:U.S. Senior Open
« Reply #9 on: July 06, 2007, 05:27:28 PM »
WS looks like it might be a tough walk for some on the Champions tour. Are carts still allowed on this tour?

Must admit on TV the course is visually stunning.


What kind of mindset is this? These guys walk for a living. If they can't take it, they should quit. We should be making reasons why NOT to use carts, not making reasons to use carts!

Penalty box for you John.  :P
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Greg Clark

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Re:U.S. Senior Open
« Reply #10 on: July 06, 2007, 06:00:23 PM »
I played WS 2 weeks after you did Tiger and found the course in a little different shape than you did.  It was not playing that soft.  I'm not saying it was playing like Hoylake but the ground was firm enough to run it up on certain holes.  I know I bounced it up on 6 and 13.  On 13 the run up was about from 30 yards out (it is downhill).  I hit a low running hook up to the 16th green as well.  

The primary rough was healthy, but had a grey tint to it.  You had to look awhile to find your ball, but I thought playing out of it was not a huge challenge.  Of course missing the primary rough was all kinds of problems.  They had already pinched the fairways, and the course was playing more narrow than the last time I was there, but not like a US Open set up at all.  I'm not sure of course what they have done to the course in the last 2 weeks.

I think it is fair to say the course does not play as firm as most GBI links courses do, but the 2 times I've played it, it doesn't play like a soft parkland course either.  They sure set things up short for the Seniors.  I think our group played it longer from the blue tees, and they had those moved up as it was.

Mike McGuire

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Re:U.S. Senior Open
« Reply #11 on: July 06, 2007, 06:50:39 PM »
I was at WS today and yesterday. The setting is spectacular. Looking down at the course with lake Michigan glistening out as far as you can see.

I think it is an excellent course to watch golf. Plenty of mounds to climb up on and watch. The crowds spread out nicely and it is easy to get in close if you want.

Tiger_Bernhardt

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Re:U.S. Senior Open
« Reply #12 on: July 07, 2007, 03:18:33 AM »
Greg, One would need a swamp to keep one from running it in on the downhill in front of 13. I agree on the left side of 6 but that hole should not need a running shot given the length trapping etc. I watched an hour on TV today and it appears to play like a parkland course to me. Mike I understand he does a good job. It takes more than one man  to make the course prep calls. I am not talking about the visuals. It is a beautiful setting. It is way to green and the greens appear soft and slowish.

John Keenan

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Re:U.S. Senior Open
« Reply #13 on: July 07, 2007, 09:17:17 AM »
Garland

I must appeal my penalty box stay.

I did not endorse  the Champions tour players riding. I  noted that many of them will be tired if they are walking given age and terrain.I watched a small amount of the tournament and given the amount of WS many of them are visiting due to errant shots and such the mileage was adding up.  On the issue of walking it was noted that at the PGA a fair amount of spectators were falling due to rough terrain and tough to walk areas. Is this occurring again?

My question on if carts were till in use was based on my attendance to a Champions tournament (then the Seniors) at Silverado where I was quite surprised to see a fair amount of the players getting into carts.

John
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Greg Clark

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Re:U.S. Senior Open
« Reply #14 on: July 07, 2007, 05:55:39 PM »
Tiger, watching the telecast today I agree that the course is playing softer than what I remembered.  I generally approach greens from the air anyway, but the 3 times I needed to bounce the ball in I was able to do so.  I also felt there was plenty of run in the fairways.  It appears if I attempted many more run ups, based on todays telecast, I would not have been rewarded.

I do see however that the the primary rough indeed is quite playable.  Maybe we'll both be in the area at the same time in the future and can give it a go.

Mat Dunmyer

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Re:U.S. Senior Open
« Reply #15 on: July 08, 2007, 10:53:07 AM »
You guys need to consider also that things aren't always as they appear on TV- they use green filters on the lenses to make the course appear greener than it really is. Also, alot can happen in a 1 week period of time in terms of the playability of a course- playing it a few weeks before an event will give you a bit of an idea on how things play, but alot goes on behind the scenes that most people are un aware of.

Mat

Brad Klein

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Re:U.S. Senior Open
« Reply #16 on: July 08, 2007, 10:57:34 AM »
Mat,

am curious what evidence you have that they green up a golf course on TV deliberately.

Mat Dunmyer

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Re:U.S. Senior Open
« Reply #17 on: July 08, 2007, 11:03:26 AM »
Mat,

am curious what evidence you have that they green up a golf course on TV deliberately.
Brad,
 When my event was on TV last year I went to the Golf Channel production trailer and asked the director why the course looked greener on TV than in person and was told about the filters.

Mat

Larry_Keltto

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Re:U.S. Senior Open
« Reply #18 on: July 08, 2007, 04:21:10 PM »
Tiger, watching the telecast today I agree that the course is playing softer than what I remembered.

Bob Murphy just took Pete Dye to task for using bentgrass in the approaches -- negating the possibility of running the ball onto the greens. "With this wind, you have to be able to bounce the ball" was Murphy's closing comment.

Matt_Cohn

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Re:U.S. Senior Open
« Reply #19 on: July 08, 2007, 04:42:42 PM »
Every time Tom Watson hits a putt I think I lose a few minutes off the end of my life.

Come on Tom...!

Other than those approaches the course looks great. I love the randomness and difficulty of the bunkers.

Tim_Cronin

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Re:U.S. Senior Open
« Reply #20 on: July 08, 2007, 04:48:18 PM »
Those TV filters are like the landscape setting on a digital camera. Makes the greens greener and the blues bluer but doesn't mess up the white balance on the shot. CBS has done it for years, maybe since it went to color for the 1966 Masters.

Meanwhile, Watson looks dead in the bunker on the 14th.
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Matt_Cohn

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Re:U.S. Senior Open
« Reply #21 on: July 08, 2007, 04:57:20 PM »
Now he looks dead in the bunker on the 15th  :(

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