[Cory]

I probably missed a discussion on Sebonek along the way.  However, does anyone have any pictures or any new information on Sebonek?  I haven't heard anything for awhile on this course and I am curious as to how Sebonek is doing and the reaction that people are having to it.  Any pictures that anyone would have would be great!

[Adam Clayman]

Cory, Sebonack, as its known, is doing quite well.

/there are plenty of topics on it, that a few searches, page by page will yield.

I hear using google is also a great way to search this site.

[Jim Nugent]

Here's a website with spectacular pictures of Sebonack...

http://web.mac.com/larrylambrecht/iWeb/Site/Sebonack%20Golf%20Club.html

[Cory]

Thanks Jim.  Those pictures are amazing.

[Mike_Cirba]

Larry Lambrecht's pictures of Sebonack are breathtaking.

From what I was able to see from the road, I imagined it to be more of an inland course but it looks as though the majority of the holes are quite exposed.

[David Druzisky]

Wow!  Nice artistry going on there.

The bunkers really dominate in the photos.  Is it the same when you play it?  My impression from those great photos is that the bunkers are so well crafted and thrown at you that it might be hard to focus on the route of play.?

[Mike Nuzzo]

My impression from those great photos is that the bunkers are so well crafted and thrown at you that it might be hard to focus on the route of play.?

Are you asking if that is a good thing or a bad thing?
Cheers

P.S.
congratulations on your rectent awards.

[David Druzisky]

That is what I wonder.  In design I think we can walk a fine line with overthinking things and trying to make dramatic statements with great individual design elements and possibly be even sacraficing the bigger picture a bit.  In this case I would guess the photos are making the bunkers in many of the shots appear very bold in the view vs reality and was hoping maybe someone could confirm that or not.  Or tell me how it otherwise presents itself in reality.

It got thinking about this specific thing after playing C&C's new Saguaro course at WeKoPa a while back.  My initial impression after the round was that I was a little "underwhelmed"  because I was expecting more of their crafty elements.  (I am only using that word in description and not as opinion as I really liked the course.)   It is like the difference between a soft sell and a hard sell.  With one it comes right at you while another just eases you into believing in it.  After looking at the photos I was almost "overwhelmed" - but those are photos in a slideshow.

It is also like resort golf vs. private club golf. For instance because WeKoPa is in Scottsdale there are going to be a certain number of guets that play it that just wont get it.  On the other hand I think it is great there is something with depth to it to compliment Talking Stick.

[Jeff Evagues]

The landing areas are quite generous. Your approach shots however had better be precise - the complexes are designed so that any thing offline even landing on the green will roll into a bunker.

[Mike Nuzzo]

The camera is a wide angle lense, so the foreground will grow quite a bit.  And standing in front of a bunker is a sound way to compose a picture.
In general there will be a bunker in the foreground and it will look big especially because of the lense.

Hard to focus on the route of play for playability's sake is a good thing I believe.

Hard to focus on the route for asthetic reasons is up to the viewer.  

If it were my golf course and I had those beautiful vistas I wouldn't bunker it as much as the pictures make it appear.

I do understand what you are saying, and I do not tire of looking at those pictures.  They are somewhat addictive - hard to look away.

[ChipRoyce]

That is what I wonder.  In design I think we can walk a fine line with overthinking things and trying to make dramatic statements with great individual design elements and possibly be even sacraficing the bigger picture a bit.  In this case I would guess the photos are making the bunkers in many of the shots appear very bold in the view vs reality and was hoping maybe someone could confirm that or not.  Or tell me how it otherwise presents itself in reality.

It got thinking about this specific thing after playing C&C's new Saguaro course at WeKoPa a while back.  My initial impression after the round was that I was a little "underwhelmed"  because I was expecting more of their crafty elements.  (I am only using that word in description and not as opinion as I really liked the course.)   It is like the difference between a soft sell and a hard sell.  With one it comes right at you while another just eases you into believing in it.  After looking at the photos I was almost "overwhelmed" - but those are photos in a slideshow.

It is also like resort golf vs. private club golf. For instance because WeKoPa is in Scottsdale there are going to be a certain number of guets that play it that just wont get it.  On the other hand I think it is great there is something with depth to it to compliment Talking Stick.

David;
Funny you said that. I played both Talking Stick and We Ko Pa back to back over two days, and actually felt that Talking stick was the more impressive course of the two.
Not that We Ko Pa was bad, but Talking stick had a much more creative approach to using the land that We Ko Pa.

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