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Bob_Huntley

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Re:Dublin Golf Question
« Reply #25 on: May 17, 2007, 10:57:00 PM »
Tom Dunne,

Thanks for the help, sometime I wonder if I am in a time warp.

Bob
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Evan_Smith

Re:Dublin Golf Question
« Reply #26 on: May 17, 2007, 11:50:57 PM »
The spiny Palm things are all over.  I saw them last year at Bushfoot (just outside Bushmills N.I) and I think I saw them in Co. Sligo.
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Ally Mcintosh

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Re:Dublin Golf Question
« Reply #27 on: May 18, 2007, 05:08:24 AM »
my two cents: what do you want?

portmarnock = world class, very fair (only one truly blind shot), flattish dunes, surrounded by water on 3 sides... one of the best par 3's (the 15th) in world golf...

the island = slightly rougher, high dunes, the odd quirky shot, slightly less fair, some big wow factors, surrounded by water on 3 sides, not as good a course as portmarnock

haven't played royal dublin since hawtree's changes but by all accounts it is a different course, 16 new green complexes, some new holes, different routing... however, the person who said it was an industrial setting is being a bit unfair... sure, there's some chimneys and a plant over the water but RD is situated on a nature reserve island surrounded by water on ALL sides... it's certainly a worthy third choice to the other two and is much more central and easy to get to...

architecturally speaking though, portmarnock is the must play...
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Padraig Dooley

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Re:Dublin Golf Question
« Reply #28 on: May 18, 2007, 02:11:48 PM »
The palm trees are a type of cordyline.

They are prevalent on a lot of golf courses in Ireland, mainly used as 150 metre marker posts.
They became popular in the 80's. I could never understand why anybody used them.
They always look out of place and are a maintenance nightmare,
 awkward to mow around and palm fronds commonly getting caught in mowers.

Only now are some clubs removing them.

Very popular in gardens as well.

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There are painters who transform the sun to a yellow spot, but there are others who with the help of their art and their intelligence, transform a yellow spot into the sun.
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KBanks

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Re:Dublin Golf Question
« Reply #29 on: May 18, 2007, 03:35:30 PM »
I second the motions for Portmarnock. It would have to be on any golfer's short list of Ireland's best.

We turned the misfortune of a missed flight connection into an extra night in the Dublin area, hard by the course. We had a flight out the next afternoon, but couldn't resist Portmarnock given our proximity, so we started at 6:30 or so in the morning of our final day in Ireland. The only person about the club was an elderly caddie who, although initially aghast at our plans to play without advance arrangements, nevertheless joined us, assured of looping 36 that day.

I still remember the pro's face when we arrived in the shop at 9:30 in the morning to pay for our round. He asked us what time we were playing and was very amused when we told him we were finished!

Ken
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Mark Bourgeois

Re:Dublin Golf Question
« Reply #30 on: May 18, 2007, 10:52:13 PM »
Here are some pics of the par 3s at Royal Dublin.

4th


7th


9th


12th


The so-called industrial views are easily tempered, if not welcomed, by their kindling of enough Pogues tunes to fill your head three, four rounds, easy.
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paul cowley

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Re:Dublin Golf Question
« Reply #31 on: May 19, 2007, 08:15:26 AM »
Wow Mark...the background of your picture of the forth green spooked me .....now I know where HG Wells could have gotten his inspiration for War of The Worlds.....I mean what do those things do, just prey on boats as they come up the Liffey?....like some kind of giant heron working its way along a riverbank.......incredible ;).
« Last Edit: May 19, 2007, 08:19:04 AM by paul cowley »
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paul cowley

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Re:Dublin Golf Question
« Reply #32 on: May 19, 2007, 08:29:12 AM »
Bob Huntley.....Waterville did have a rather tall, clumping, wide bladed, wind flexible plant material that seemed to thrive all along the the ocean edge from where you left the estuary and turned for home....not sure if these plants are still there after the latest changes, although I hope they might be.

The plants at Portmarnock are a stiffer type....more like a yucca..... not a true palm.
 
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Mark Bourgeois

Re:Dublin Golf Question
« Reply #33 on: May 19, 2007, 09:23:15 AM »
Paul,

Funny thing, looking at them coming inwards holes 10-18, they seemed pretty still despite the high wind.

But coming off (out of) the 19th hole, the damned things were Riverdancing.

Sean, did Detroit scar you permanently on sadly beautiful industrial scenes, or are you anti pogues?

Mark
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G Jones

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Re:Dublin Golf Question
« Reply #34 on: May 19, 2007, 09:32:21 AM »
Is it just me, or does anyone else not like the look of the new bunkering at Royal Dublin. I assume they have been altered anyway because I remember a course with traditional riveted faced links bunkers... whereas now it looks more like the bunkers you'd expect to find on a traditional american parkland course.... it looks really odd to me.

Does anyone have any detailed info on what they did to the course, and why they made the changes they did?
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Tim Pitner

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Re:Dublin Golf Question
« Reply #35 on: May 19, 2007, 05:16:52 PM »
Quote from: G Jones on May 19, 2007, 09:32:21 AM
Is it just me, or does anyone else not like the look of the new bunkering at Royal Dublin. I assume they have been altered anyway because I remember a course with traditional riveted faced links bunkers... whereas now it looks more like the bunkers you'd expect to find on a traditional american parkland course.... it looks really odd to me.

Does anyone have any detailed info on what they did to the course, and why they made the changes they did?

I believe GCAer "RT" has intimate knowledge of the changes; he might be willing to share it, online or off.  
« Last Edit: May 19, 2007, 05:23:18 PM by Tim Pitner »
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Kalen Braley

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Re:Dublin Golf Question
« Reply #36 on: May 19, 2007, 05:25:58 PM »
Can I just say, being a yank from the other side of the pond, this thread is just making me drool, and wanting to relocate to the UK somewhere, or Ireland for that matter.

Bandon is sublime, but to have these kinds of courses all over the place, would just be awesome.  I've got a clean criminal past, a degree, and a decent paying job.  Will any of these countries take me in??   ;D
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Mark Bourgeois

Re:Dublin Golf Question
« Reply #37 on: May 19, 2007, 07:04:34 PM »
G Jones,

Interesting observation.  You're getting at the flashed-up faces, right?

There definitely aren't any revetted bunkers out there, although I recall plenty of flat-bottomed, grass faced (collars of "rough," no less) bunkers.  Could be a cost / maintenance issue.

Here's a couple more pics -- is there a hole in particular you'd like to see? I took pics from tees, approaches and greens on every hole two days ago.





I would say the thing that bothered me about the course were two holes with tight fairways; the second hole:

Quite possibly the most-insanely thin fairway I ever have seen -- Kate Moss, eat your heart out!


Mark
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G Jones

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Re:Dublin Golf Question
« Reply #38 on: May 19, 2007, 10:53:58 PM »
Yeah the cost issue was the first thing that crossed my mind when I saw how the bunkers had been done... it does cost a bit to re-do the faces of bunkers every few years. But that sort of soft, grass fronted bunker just looks so out of place on a classic links...
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