News:

Welcome to the Golf Club Atlas Discussion Group!

Each user is approved by the Golf Club Atlas editorial staff. For any new inquiries, please contact us.


Tim Leahy

  • Karma: +0/-0
Torrey '08 Open winning score
« on: June 19, 2007, 02:56:27 PM »
Can Torrey be tougher than Oakmont in '08? Torrey has smaller greens and more yardage, could it play tougher than Oakmont? Could +10 win in '08?
I love golf, the fightin irish, and beautiful women depending on the season and availability.

Michael Wharton-Palmer

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re:Torrey '08 Open winning score
« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2007, 03:17:58 PM »
I really dont think so, the greens at Torrey are not nearly as severe, nor will they be able to get them as fast.
The length factor will be more of an issue perhaps, I think the course will play about 200 yards longer than Oakmont, but my guess is that we will see scores very close to par, a couple either way.

Peter_Herreid

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re:Torrey '08 Open winning score
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2007, 03:49:36 PM »
In spite of all the above factors mentioned, I don't think one can dismiss the familiarity factor at Torrey Pines.  Many of the entrants will have more intimate knowledge of the course from previous Buicks than they ever would have at WFW, Oakmont, etc....

While the same could theoretically be said for Pebble Beach, I just think there will a "comfort zone" with Torrey Pines;  that having been said, some unusual climactic conditions or gimmicky course prep could alter that...

I'll say that a winning score will be approx. 3-4 under par for the 4 rounds, and I bet the USGA would not have a big problem with that...

Ted Kramer

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re:Torrey '08 Open winning score
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2007, 03:54:42 PM »
As excited as I was for the Open this year, I'm already that turned off by the prospect of the '08 Open at Torrey.

-Ted

Wayne_Kozun

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re:Torrey '08 Open winning score
« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2007, 04:20:38 PM »
As excited as I was for the Open this year, I'm already that turned off by the prospect of the '08 Open at Torrey.
SAT exam question:

Which of the following does not belong in the list:

Oakmont, Pinehurst #2, Pebble Beach, Torrey Pines, Merion- East, Winged Foot West, Congressional, Olympic - Lake, Bethpage Black.

Jay Flemma

Re:Torrey '08 Open winning score
« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2007, 06:12:00 PM »
-3 wins at Torrey.

So does Woods.

David Stamm

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re:Torrey '08 Open winning score
« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2007, 07:39:46 PM »
I really dont think so, the greens at Torrey are not nearly as severe, nor will they be able to get them as fast.
The length factor will be more of an issue perhaps, I think the course will play about 200 yards longer than Oakmont, but my guess is that we will see scores very close to par, a couple either way.

Everything Michael says here I concur with.
"The object of golf architecture is to give an intelligent purpose to the striking of a golf ball."- Max Behr

Glenn Spencer

Re:Torrey '08 Open winning score
« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2007, 08:19:32 PM »
Length is never a factor. I think -10 is more like it.

peter_mcknight

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re:Torrey '08 Open winning score
« Reply #8 on: June 19, 2007, 08:35:39 PM »
Based on Mike Davis' comments at the USGA press conference at the Open, it looks like TP will play around 7585 yards par 70 for the Open next year, with 6 and 18 par 4s at 515 and 525 yards respectively.

For those who aren't Southern Californians, we have something called June gloom.  Basically, it is a weather condition whereby the marine layer moves in late in the afternoon/evening, then malingers throughout a great part of the next day, sometimes not burning off at all, meaning a brutally overcast day, cool and no breeze.  If there is June gloom (a condition that will really sock in TP based on its coastal location), then something 280 or below stands a pretty good chance.  If it is the weather pattern we have experienced over the past 4-5 days, then perhaps 280-284 will be the target score.  Regardless, if I was a player and offered 280 and not hit a ball, I'd take it.

At this point, it is a matter of whether the kikuyu rough takes to its new locale and can grow.  Without the killer Winged Foot and/or Oakmont rough, TP will be exposed no question because the greens aren't all that severe.

Just keep in mind that, for the Buick, when they play it all the way back, the top guys don't beat up TP with plenty of 67s, 66s, etc.  A good round is a 68.  Furthermore, they have never played 4 rounds at TP all the way back yet.

I have it playing as follows:
450/385/195/485/450/515/460/175/615
405/220/505/615/435/480/230/440/525

From what I understand, there will be more forward tees for 6 and 18 depending on weather conditions, etc.

Tim Bert

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re:Torrey '08 Open winning score
« Reply #9 on: June 19, 2007, 10:19:18 PM »
I like Tiger's chances at this one.  With his familiarity and track record here, this could be a Pebble re-visited if he's on his game.  As good a shot at under par as we've seen in the past several years, I'd think.

Mike_Cirba

Re:Torrey '08 Open winning score
« Reply #10 on: June 19, 2007, 10:41:51 PM »
With a full and uniquely complete understanding of the remarkably brilliant architectural genius that is the result of a series of architectural wonders foisted atop one another over the past 50 or so years, I feel solely qualified to weigh in with a prediction for the 2008 winning US Open score.

Given the challenge, the drama, the suspense, the strategic determinations and tactical complications, the views, the location of the corporate tents, the vagaries of the consultants and differing styles of the assembled teaching pros and psychological consultants, I'm willing to bet that at 7500 yards, Torrey Pines will not yield a lower 72 hole total than 250.   Furthermore, I would bet my house that unless there are cosmic fluctuations that week caused by solar flares, the worst score possible for the winner is probably around 320.

Don_Mahaffey

Re:Torrey '08 Open winning score
« Reply #11 on: June 19, 2007, 10:59:08 PM »
Feb. is a lot different than June, the wind will blow.
Afternoon tee times will be a big minus.
The greens will be fast, but not as true.
Over par wins.