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JMorgan

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Re:"architects who will work for nothing"
« Reply #25 on: June 25, 2007, 06:46:15 PM »
Dr. Mackenzie on paying your architect:

"Founders of golf clubs are often deterred from calling a first class architect because they think he may be expensive.  An architect's fee is often less than a hundredth part of the total capital expenditure, and surely this is a small sum to pay for the assurance of perpetual prosperity."

Or...

"Even men of education have a curious disinclination to pay for mental labour.  They are willing to pay stupendous sums for manual labour, but for mental labour, No!"

"It is strange that a committee consisting of doctors, lawyers, architects, and engineers who no doubt recognize the importance of mental training and experience in their own professions attach so little importance to it in golf course architecture.  What does it matter what the fee of the expert is if, owing to his advice, the total cost can be reduced by fifty percent and far bette results obtained in addition?  It is false economy to attempt to save a few thousand dollars in mental labour when without it there would be an additional cost of tens of thousands of dollars in manual labour.  The unfortunate thing about golf courses is that every professional and almost every golfer thinks he can lay out a golf course."




Robert Thompson

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Re:"architects who will work for nothing"
« Reply #26 on: June 25, 2007, 07:10:14 PM »
First, I clicked on the article above and received a pop up spam invitation for a drive cleaner so beware.

I'm perplexed by this since we have no pop ups on the site, but I'm wondering if this is a Double Click issue in the U.S. If you could let me know what actually happened, it would be appreciated and sorry to anyone who has had a similar issue.

As for the actual remark, I think the exec was speaking in hyperbole -- I don't think there are many archies working for free.
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Jim Sweeney

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Re:"architects who will work for nothing"
« Reply #27 on: June 25, 2007, 08:26:52 PM »
AS far as I know all of Dye's pro bono work has been for municipalities. Kearney Hill inLexington, KY may have been the first, as he was recruited by a friend od his from that city.The course opened in 1989.

Kearney is credited to Pete and P.B. Dye, and Alice once referred to it in my presence as "P.B.'s course." It may be that Pete used the opportunity to give P.B. some experience and some exposure.
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Marty Bonnar

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Re:"architects who will work for nothing"
« Reply #28 on: June 26, 2007, 03:53:32 PM »
With some of the 'Clients' I've done work for, I farkin well HAVE worked for NUTTIN'! >:(

Actually, when I come to think of it. Those jobs ended up costing ME!

So if anyone knows of a project that'll guarantee to at least pay expenses, get them to give me a call... ;D

FBD.
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Washed the people coal-black from the hole in the ground.

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