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Tim Gavrich

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Re:The Best Golf Holes in Town
« Reply #25 on: March 27, 2007, 07:36:59 PM »
Spending a lot of time in Pawleys Island, I feel qualified to do it for that area, but I'll probably miss some holes.  I'll confine my selections to courses in the immediate Pawleys Island area.

- Pawleys Plantation (once again, I'm a bit of a Homer), holes 8, 13, 18
- Heritage Club, holes 13, 14, 18
- Most any hole at Caledonia, but my favorites are 7, 9 ;), 11, 14, 18
- True Blue, holes 1, 4, 18
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Mark_Rowlinson

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Re:The Best Golf Holes in Town
« Reply #26 on: March 28, 2007, 10:37:13 AM »
Taking the county of Cheshire as it used to be before bureaucrats totally changed the county boundaries, and therefore considering only clubs affiliated to the Cheshire Union of Golf Clubs I would suggest a top ten of, and in no particular order:

Prestbury 16th

Royal Liverpool (2006 Open Championship routing):
3rd, 8th, 11th, 12th, 13th, 14th, 18th

Sandiway 10th

Wallasey 16th

tlavin

Re:The Best Golf Holes in Town
« Reply #27 on: March 28, 2007, 12:33:26 PM »
My personal favorites from Chicago, each hole is the appropriately numbered hole from its course.  There are many other courses that I could include, most notably Chicago Golf Club, but I only played there once and the memory ain't what it used to be.  Strictly a personal list!

#1 Skokie: A man-sized par 4 of 440 yards with terrific fairway and greenside bunkering.
#2 Bob O'Link: Mid-sized par 4 with a pond to the left and a demanding green.
#3 Olympia Fields North: 460 yard par 4 with a second shot to a small, elevated green.  The creek isn't really in play but it sure is pretty!
#4 Shoreacres: Quite possibly one of the best mid-sized cape holes that you'll ever play, with a meandering burn that insinuates its way up and across the fairway.
#5 Beverly Country Club: The best 400 yard par 4 in Chicago, with an impressive plateau green.
#6 Olympia Fields South:  A spectacular short par four with a volcano green protected by a creek in front and dramatic dropoffs on all sides.
#7 Dunes Club (well, it's in the Chicago district!): A little bit of Pine Valley in Harbor Country, a very scenic par three cut out of the forested sand dunes.  Multiple tee boxes present different angles that present different challenges.  The green is one of the best protected this side of Sand Hills.  Simply the best par 3 I've ever played.
#8 Butler National: 180 yard par 3 with a pond that runs up to the front of the green.  Tough stuff.
#9 Cog Hill (#4): A serpentine and well bunkered par 5 that kills us mere mortals but the pros demolish.

THE BACK NINE

#10 Butler National: A brutal 450ish par 4 from the members tees with hazards to the left and right, Salt Creek just in front of the green, which is a shallow, horizontal torture chamber.
#11 Flossmoor CC: 175 yard uphill par three with a relatively blind tee shot to a tricky green.
#12 Medinah (#3): Quite possibly the best par 4 in Chicago, a big par 4 that bends slightly to the right, with a dramatically tilted fairway and a big pond just to the right of the green.
#13 LaGrange CC: A midsized par 4 with terrific fairway and green bunkering.  A hidden gem of a golf course.
#14 Olympia Fields North:  A 445 yard par 4 with a creek that pops into view 100 yards in front of the tee, runs up the right side of the fairway to 300 yards from the tee, cuts left across the fairway and then takes a hard right where it waits for pulled second shots.  A tough back to front tilted green awaits you.
#15 Shoreacres: a short par 5 (490 yards) with an ingenious split fairway on two elevations and a creek cutting across the fairway.
#16 Cog Hill (#4) Big, sweeping par 4 with a pond to the left.  One of the more scenic 4's in Chicago.
#17 Medinah (#3): Terrific par three over Lake Kadijah.  Hard to beat this one.
#18 Beverly Country Club: 600 yard dogleg to the right with well placed fairway bunkers that come into play on your second shot.  The shot into the green is very tight, but the green is enormous and tilted from back to front.  Spectacular finishing par 5 with a great view of the clubhouse.

Par 71, roughly 7200 yards.

Tom_Doak

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Re:The Best Golf Holes in Town
« Reply #28 on: March 28, 2007, 06:53:27 PM »
Terry:

I have not played every course you mentioned in Chicago but I would agree with only two of the holes you selected, #6 and #14.  If I were to pick a hole from Shoreacres it would probably be #11, although your choice of #4 is not bad, either.

Wayne:

I think there are probably as many great holes in Melbourne as in Philadelphia (as long as you don't include Pine Valley).  You just have to be as choosy about them as Mike Clayton was.  Picking the 100 best holes from each town is a meaningless exercise because you don't have to make difficult choices.

My contribution:

Picking holes from northern Michigan would be silly, 80% of them would be on the front nine at Crystal Downs.  So I'll contribute from East Lothian where I am based this evening:

Muirfield 9th and 13th and possibly 15th (my sleeper pick)
North Berwick West Links 2nd, 13th and 15th
Kilspindie 8th
Gullane No. 3 16th

David Stamm

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Re:The Best Golf Holes in Town
« Reply #29 on: March 28, 2007, 07:02:59 PM »

  So I'll contribute from East Lothian where I am based this evening:

 

Tom, you're making me jealous! :)
"The object of golf architecture is to give an intelligent purpose to the striking of a golf ball."- Max Behr

John Pflum

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Re:The Best Golf Holes in Town
« Reply #30 on: March 28, 2007, 09:13:45 PM »
Cincinnati- I saw Jesse Jones say that #5 at Stonelick Hills is all-world. I agree with him. Very good hole.



Glenn,

Can you 'splain this one to me?  I thought #5 was OK but not all that.  
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DTaylor18

Re:The Best Golf Holes in Town
« Reply #31 on: March 28, 2007, 09:46:03 PM »
My personal favorites from Chicago, each hole is the appropriately numbered hole from its course.  There are many other courses that I could include, most notably Chicago Golf Club, but I only played there once and the memory ain't what it used to be.  Strictly a personal list!

#1 Skokie: A man-sized par 4 of 440 yards with terrific fairway and greenside bunkering.
#2 Bob O'Link: Mid-sized par 4 with a pond to the left and a demanding green.
#3 Olympia Fields North: 460 yard par 4 with a second shot to a small, elevated green.  The creek isn't really in play but it sure is pretty!
#4 Shoreacres: Quite possibly one of the best mid-sized cape holes that you'll ever play, with a meandering burn that insinuates its way up and across the fairway.
#5 Beverly Country Club: The best 400 yard par 4 in Chicago, with an impressive plateau green.
#6 Olympia Fields South:  A spectacular short par four with a volcano green protected by a creek in front and dramatic dropoffs on all sides.
#7 Dunes Club (well, it's in the Chicago district!): A little bit of Pine Valley in Harbor Country, a very scenic par three cut out of the forested sand dunes.  Multiple tee boxes present different angles that present different challenges.  The green is one of the best protected this side of Sand Hills.  Simply the best par 3 I've ever played.
#8 Butler National: 180 yard par 3 with a pond that runs up to the front of the green.  Tough stuff.
#9 Cog Hill (#4): A serpentine and well bunkered par 5 that kills us mere mortals but the pros demolish.

THE BACK NINE

#10 Butler National: A brutal 450ish par 4 from the members tees with hazards to the left and right, Salt Creek just in front of the green, which is a shallow, horizontal torture chamber.
#11 Flossmoor CC: 175 yard uphill par three with a relatively blind tee shot to a tricky green.
#12 Medinah (#3): Quite possibly the best par 4 in Chicago, a big par 4 that bends slightly to the right, with a dramatically tilted fairway and a big pond just to the right of the green.
#13 LaGrange CC: A midsized par 4 with terrific fairway and green bunkering.  A hidden gem of a golf course.
#14 Olympia Fields North:  A 445 yard par 4 with a creek that pops into view 100 yards in front of the tee, runs up the right side of the fairway to 300 yards from the tee, cuts left across the fairway and then takes a hard right where it waits for pulled second shots.  A tough back to front tilted green awaits you.
#15 Shoreacres: a short par 5 (490 yards) with an ingenious split fairway on two elevations and a creek cutting across the fairway.
#16 Cog Hill (#4) Big, sweeping par 4 with a pond to the left.  One of the more scenic 4's in Chicago.
#17 Medinah (#3): Terrific par three over Lake Kadijah.  Hard to beat this one.
#18 Beverly Country Club: 600 yard dogleg to the right with well placed fairway bunkers that come into play on your second shot.  The shot into the green is very tight, but the green is enormous and tilted from back to front.  Spectacular finishing par 5 with a great view of the clubhouse.

Par 71, roughly 7200 yards.


Terry, thanks for the list.  I found it very interesting and fun to read, especially in March!

JR Potts

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Re:The Best Golf Holes in Town
« Reply #32 on: March 28, 2007, 09:51:32 PM »
My personal favorites from Chicago, each hole is the appropriately numbered hole from its course.  There are many other courses that I could include, most notably Chicago Golf Club, but I only played there once and the memory ain't what it used to be.  Strictly a personal list!

#1 Skokie: A man-sized par 4 of 440 yards with terrific fairway and greenside bunkering.
#2 Bob O'Link: Mid-sized par 4 with a pond to the left and a demanding green.
#3 Olympia Fields North: 460 yard par 4 with a second shot to a small, elevated green.  The creek isn't really in play but it sure is pretty!
#4 Shoreacres: Quite possibly one of the best mid-sized cape holes that you'll ever play, with a meandering burn that insinuates its way up and across the fairway.
#5 Beverly Country Club: The best 400 yard par 4 in Chicago, with an impressive plateau green.
#6 Olympia Fields South:  A spectacular short par four with a volcano green protected by a creek in front and dramatic dropoffs on all sides.
#7 Dunes Club (well, it's in the Chicago district!): A little bit of Pine Valley in Harbor Country, a very scenic par three cut out of the forested sand dunes.  Multiple tee boxes present different angles that present different challenges.  The green is one of the best protected this side of Sand Hills.  Simply the best par 3 I've ever played.
#8 Butler National: 180 yard par 3 with a pond that runs up to the front of the green.  Tough stuff.
#9 Cog Hill (#4): A serpentine and well bunkered par 5 that kills us mere mortals but the pros demolish.

THE BACK NINE

#10 Butler National: A brutal 450ish par 4 from the members tees with hazards to the left and right, Salt Creek just in front of the green, which is a shallow, horizontal torture chamber.
#11 Flossmoor CC: 175 yard uphill par three with a relatively blind tee shot to a tricky green.
#12 Medinah (#3): Quite possibly the best par 4 in Chicago, a big par 4 that bends slightly to the right, with a dramatically tilted fairway and a big pond just to the right of the green.
#13 LaGrange CC: A midsized par 4 with terrific fairway and green bunkering.  A hidden gem of a golf course.
#14 Olympia Fields North:  A 445 yard par 4 with a creek that pops into view 100 yards in front of the tee, runs up the right side of the fairway to 300 yards from the tee, cuts left across the fairway and then takes a hard right where it waits for pulled second shots.  A tough back to front tilted green awaits you.
#15 Shoreacres: a short par 5 (490 yards) with an ingenious split fairway on two elevations and a creek cutting across the fairway.
#16 Cog Hill (#4) Big, sweeping par 4 with a pond to the left.  One of the more scenic 4's in Chicago.
#17 Medinah (#3): Terrific par three over Lake Kadijah.  Hard to beat this one.
#18 Beverly Country Club: 600 yard dogleg to the right with well placed fairway bunkers that come into play on your second shot.  The shot into the green is very tight, but the green is enormous and tilted from back to front.  Spectacular finishing par 5 with a great view of the clubhouse.

Par 71, roughly 7200 yards.


I think the 9th hole on Course #1 at Medinah is a much better par 5 than 9 at Cog.  The rest of your list looks quite strong.  I've never played Flossmore but I would agree with Tom that #11 at Shoreacres is almost impossible to beat.

Andy Troeger

Re:The Best Golf Holes in Town
« Reply #33 on: March 28, 2007, 10:14:12 PM »
#7 Dunes Club (well, it's in the Chicago district!): A little bit of Pine Valley in Harbor Country, a very scenic par three cut out of the forested sand dunes.  Multiple tee boxes present different angles that present different challenges.  The green is one of the best protected this side of Sand Hills.  Simply the best par 3 I've ever played.


Terry,
You picked a great hole but this one, but unfortunately I think you were referring to #6 at the Dunes!  ;)

John Goodman

Re:The Best Golf Holes in Town
« Reply #34 on: March 30, 2007, 02:54:41 PM »
OK, here's a shot at an eclectic 18 from the Birmingham, AL area (within rough 30 minute radius).  Sticking to a par of 72 and choosing the correctly numbered holes made this tough, and caused me to leave out some of the holes I might have otherwise chosen, and the routing ain't great either, but anyway.

1  Birmingham CC (West) par 4 - moving the green forward from Ross' original plan was a definite improvement IMO-testy pitch over the creek to a highly contoured green.
2  Capstone Club  par 4 - sets the tone on Hanse's layout - interplay of bunkers and green surrounds makes hole play rather "tricky."
3  Capstone Club  par 3 - not a redan, but a right-to-left shot a bit short will catch a slope and sling onto the green.
4  Hoover CC  par 4 - demanding driving hole
5  Farm Links  par 5 - excellent risk reward par 5
6  Shoal Creek par 5 - my favorite of the par 5s on a course with four very good ones; subtly canted green favors forethought on the second shot.
7  Ballantrae GC par 4 - very nice use by Cupp of fairway bunker 70 yards short of green on long par 4; a hole designed (successfully) to make the player feel somewhat uncomfortable
8  Shoal Creek  par 3 - not a great hole, maybe, but the best I could come up with as #8 in the area.  Scott Simpson swore at me here during the 1984 PGA.
9  Greystone GC (Legacy) par 4 - two bold shots called for, a fade from the tee and a draw to the green on this 450 yard hole.  Internal rolls to the green that can make two putting difficult.

10  Limestone Springs  par 4 - A beautiful down-then-back up par four set into a mountain where the Appalachians peter out.  Extra scenery points for this eye-candy guy.
11  Old Overton  par 4 - fine use of a buge sycamore here, pinching the landing zone; green sited beautifully by a creek.
12  Limestone Springs  par 3 - Pate dares you here to not come over the top; the way to play this testing short hole is to have a low shot boomerang off the slope right of the green.
13  Greystone GC (Founders) par 5 - again, excellent risk-reward hole
14  Shoal Creek  par 4 - probably the most picturesque hole in the area; calls for precise second shot.
15  Ross Bridge  par 4 - cape-like short four, with the green hanging onto a hill above water.
16  Birmingham CC (West) par 4 - head-scratching from the tee, and probably 4-5 clubs difference depending on pin location to the massively tiered green.
17  Capstone Club  par 4 - the "signature" hole down there.  I've yet to figure out how to play it though.
18  Old Overton  par 4 - great uphill closing par 4, excellent movement through the fairway and undulation on the green.

Jim Nugent

Re:The Best Golf Holes in Town
« Reply #35 on: March 30, 2007, 04:11:20 PM »
I'm hoping someone(s) will give us the best holes in the Monterey Peninsula.  

Also the best holes in Southampton would be interesting, along with the best holes in Bandon OR.  

Tom Huckaby

Re:The Best Golf Holes in Town
« Reply #36 on: March 30, 2007, 05:35:07 PM »
Jim - I can certainly take a stab at each of Monterey and Bandon.  But what's the limit?  Hell there aren't many holes that AREN'T great in either place....


rjsimper

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Re:The Best Golf Holes in Town
« Reply #37 on: March 30, 2007, 06:16:06 PM »
I did a 18 hole three-way comparison of my opinions of the best holes in Bandon a while back...with a second visit to cement my opinions, I think it goes something like this-

1 - Trails
2 - Pacific
3 - Trails
4 - Bandon  (though all 3 are incredible)
5 - Bandon
6 - Pacific
7 - Pacific
8 - Trails
9 - Pacific
10 - Bandon
11 - Pacific
12 - Pacific
13 - Pacific
14 - Trails
15 - Hmmm - Bandon
16 - Bandon
17 - Pacific
18 - Trails

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