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Dan_Callahan

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5 Days in North Carolina
« on: March 26, 2007, 09:07:59 AM »
Just returned from a trip to North Carolina with two friends. We stayed in Pinehurst, which was nothing like what I expected. The average person passing through town would have no idea this area is a golf mecca. Very subtle.

We arrived in the late afternoon and drove over to see No. 2. I was immediately impressed by the sheer size of the grounds. Fairways are absolutely enormous.

We started our golf on Tuesday with 36 holes at the Pit. This was probably the most difficult driving course we saw all week. Lots of doglegs and very difficult to figure out where to aim on the first 18. Things got easier the second time around, but it is still a tough course. Put it in New England and it might be a top 10 public.

On Wednesday, we played 36 at Tobacco Road. This is now my favorite public course I have played. The opening tee shot is great, but is less blind than I expected (far less intimidating than #1 at Royal New Kent). There really were no letdowns after that. I didn't love the 9th, a par 4 with a very awkward shot to the green, but it was still interesting. The 18th has one of the most ridiculous tee shots I've ever seen, and I loved it.

Thursday had us at the Legacy, a Nicklaus II design. This would have been a good course to start the week with. Relatively flat, open fairways, no visual tricks . . . all in all a very enjoyable but forgettable course. After 18, we decided it wasn't worth a replay and instead went to the range for the afternoon (where we tried the square Nike driver—what a piece of junk).

On Friday, we played Tot Hill Farm. I loved this course. The range kind of sucked—way downhill with no yardage—but that is a minor quibble. Tot is very much toned down from Tobacco. Very few massive, scorched-earth bunkers and much less visual intimidation. It also plays pretty short. We were one up from the tips (6,300 yards, maybe?), and I was hitting lots of 3-irons off the tee. There were a number of instances of feeling like the holes were shoehorned into the property, creating somewhat of a shooting gallery. On the first 18, I really didn't like the 9th, and from 16 to the end things really dropped off. Interestingly, on our second 18 (when we had the course to ourselves), I started to really enjoy those finishing holes. And the 9th didn't seem so bad. This would be a great private course.

We left on Saturday, but not before getting in 14 holes at Tobacco Road. Pace of play was pretty slow and we got nervous about missing our flights, so we bolted early. This was the only day when pace of play was a problem, and even so we would have finished in about 5 hours. The rangers did a great job pushing foursomes to keep up. On the first tee they warned us that if we fell a hole behind they would make us skip a hole to get back into position. Great stuff.

In all, this was my favorite spring destination out of four I have tried (Williamsburg, Port St. Lucie, Myrtle). Tobacco Road was the clear #1, although Tot Hill really grew on me. The Pit was very good, but was kind of Strantz light. The Legacy was a nice change, but nothing I would go out of my way to play (the Legacy did have the best range of the four).

Of the Strantz courses I have played, I would rank them:

1) Tobacco Road
2) Royal New Kent
3) Tot Hill Farm (possibly a tie for second)
4) Stonehouse (a distant fourth)

Next year my goal is to hit SC to try True Blue and Caledonia. It is worth noting that the people we met along the way were unbelievably nice. When I am on a golf trip, I don't really like to be bothered. However, in North Carolina, we would find ourselves on a porch eating lunch shooting the shit with random people who just stopped by to say hi. I would go back there in a second even if the courses weren't incredible. What a great place.

A.G._Crockett

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Re:5 Days in North Carolina
« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2007, 11:46:01 AM »

Of the Strantz courses I have played, I would rank them:

1) Tobacco Road
2) Royal New Kent
3) Tot Hill Farm (possibly a tie for second)
4) Stonehouse (a distant fourth)

Next year my goal is to hit SC to try True Blue and Caledonia. It is worth noting that the people we met along the way were unbelievably nice. When I am on a golf trip, I don't really like to be bothered. However, in North Carolina, we would find ourselves on a porch eating lunch shooting the shit with random people who just stopped by to say hi. I would go back there in a second even if the courses weren't incredible. What a great place.

Dan Callahan,
I'm glad you liked Tot Hill; it typically gets shortchanged, IMO.  When you do get to SC and play Caledonia and True Blue, you'll love'em both.

I really glad you liked the people in NC; it's still home to me in many ways, even after 28 years in Atlanta.  I'm heading there next week for a few days, and you've made me even more anxious than I already was to be on my way.
"Golf...is usually played with the outward appearance of great dignity.  It is, nevertheless, a game of considerable passion, either of the explosive type, or that which burns inwardly and sears the soul."      Bobby Jones

Dan_Callahan

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Re:5 Days in North Carolina
« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2007, 01:22:18 PM »
A.G.,

After 5 holes at Tot, I was ready to say that I preferred it to Tobacco Road. However, I was somewhat put off by the houses that are in view along the course. None are really in play, and they aren't nearly as obnoxious as those on the back 9 at Stonehouse. Still, it was a detraction for me. And I wonder if routing the course around those lots resulted in the close proximity of some of the holes. It definitely had a more cramped feel than Tobacco and RNK (of course, those layouts are incredibly expansive). Still, I would put it in my top 5 favorite public courses, and it is a place I would love to go back to.

cary lichtenstein

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Re:5 Days in North Carolina
« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2007, 02:25:54 PM »
Since your taste is kinda like mine, I would suggest these courses:

The Quarry at Giants Ridge-Minn
Greywalls-Upper Peninsula Michigan
Arcadia Bluffs-Traverse City Michigan

Another great trip:

Lakota Canyon-Colo
Redlands Mesa-Colo
Black Mesa-New Mexico
Paa Ko Ridge-New Mexico
Live Jupiter, Fl, was  4 handicap, played top 100 US, top 75 World. Great memories, no longer play, 4 back surgeries. I don't miss a lot of things about golf, life is simpler with out it. I miss my 60 degree wedge shots, don't miss nasty weather, icing, back spasms. Last course I played was Augusta

Doug Ralston

Re:5 Days in North Carolina
« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2007, 06:57:41 PM »
It is important to remember that Tobacco Road was not a mess up. It was never intended to by like other courses, or to be compared to them. Even among his own courses, apparently Tobacco Road was intended to be unique ..... a little extreme, and a lot just plain fun!

I gotta get there!

Doug Ralston

Re:5 Days in North Carolina
« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2007, 07:00:28 PM »
BTW Cary;

Liked both of your proposed trips. The MI/MN courses are on our wish list. Lakota Canyon is more on my 'dream list' since it is not likely to come into my range.

I hope to spend some time this year in Michigan.

Doug

Kalen Braley

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Re:5 Days in North Carolina
« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2007, 08:40:24 PM »
This makes me salivate all that much more to play lakota and redlands in June.  I too would love to see Mikes work as well and hope to make it back to the east coast sooner rather than later.

Brian Cenci

Re:5 Days in North Carolina
« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2007, 12:24:36 AM »
Since your taste is kinda like mine, I would suggest these courses:

The Quarry at Giants Ridge-Minn
Greywalls-Upper Peninsula Michigan
Arcadia Bluffs-Traverse City Michigan

Another great trip:

Lakota Canyon-Colo
Redlands Mesa-Colo
Black Mesa-New Mexico
Paa Ko Ridge-New Mexico

A better Michigan trip would be drop the Quarry at Giants Ridge (since it's approximately 5 hours frm Greywalls) and go with Eagle Eye (East Lansing, MI) north to Forest Dunes...them Arcadia and Greywalls.


cary lichtenstein

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Re:5 Days in North Carolina
« Reply #8 on: March 27, 2007, 11:19:50 AM »
Since your taste is kinda like mine, I would suggest these courses:

The Quarry at Giants Ridge-Minn
Greywalls-Upper Peninsula Michigan
Arcadia Bluffs-Traverse City Michigan

Another great trip:

Lakota Canyon-Colo
Redlands Mesa-Colo
Black Mesa-New Mexico
Paa Ko Ridge-New Mexico

A better Michigan trip would be drop the Quarry at Giants Ridge (since it's approximately 5 hours frm Greywalls) and go with Eagle Eye (East Lansing, MI) north to Forest Dunes...them Arcadia and Greywalls.



I haven't played EE or FD, but The Quarry is a must play, don't miss, do not pass go, do not collect $200 if you do not play it ;D
Live Jupiter, Fl, was  4 handicap, played top 100 US, top 75 World. Great memories, no longer play, 4 back surgeries. I don't miss a lot of things about golf, life is simpler with out it. I miss my 60 degree wedge shots, don't miss nasty weather, icing, back spasms. Last course I played was Augusta

Paul Payne

Re:5 Days in North Carolina
« Reply #9 on: March 27, 2007, 08:37:45 PM »
Brian,

I think you'd be dissapointed in the "short" drive from Arcadia to Marquette.  ;)

Greywalls is certainly worth the 5-8 hours you drive whatever direction you come from.

Brian Cenci

Re:5 Days in North Carolina
« Reply #10 on: March 27, 2007, 11:39:37 PM »
Brian,

I think you'd be dissapointed in the "short" drive from Arcadia to Marquette.  ;)

Greywalls is certainly worth the 5-8 hours you drive whatever direction you come from.

Paul,
     No...I'm in agreement with you about Greywalls.  I'm a member there and it's a must play.  I said skip Quarry at Giants Ridge since it's out of the way.  If I were starting at the Michigan/Indiana border I'd go Eagle Eye, Forest Dunes, Arcadia then north to Greywalls.
     Eagle Eye is solid.  It's my benchmark course since I play it a lot and for $65 I wuld rather play there then most "great" public courses across the country that charge twice that rate.

-Brian

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