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Jeff Shelman

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Semi OT: New drivers
« on: March 17, 2007, 09:47:17 PM »
I'll admit that I'm dying to get out and play after a Minnesota winter. I spent part of the day at a Cleveland demo day and another part of it looking at Golf Galaxy and Golfsmith.

Wondering if anybody out here has plunked down the cash for a new weapon? If so, what did you get?

I lurk at golfwrx and bsg a little bit, but don't know nearly as much about shafts and the like. There does seem to be a bunch of good options. Btwn the new Callaway options, two new TaylorMade options, Ping Rapture, Cleveland HiBore XL and the like.

Thoughts?

Ken Moum

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Re:Semi OT: New drivers
« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2007, 10:00:05 PM »
I bought one of last year's Hibore's last week in Arizona. It's marked 11.5* but measures exactly the same as my SMT 14*. (They're both 14 degrees, which is perfect for a lowball hitter like me.)

My brother bought a nre Hibore Tour, because he loved the fact that it has a 3* open face. After some trepidation on the first few holes, he was striping it.

If you really want to hear about some of the new drivers, check into the forum at http://www.4gea.com, the guys there are a lot more "normal" than the Tour-only yahoos at BSG and GolfWRX.

K
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Jonathan McCord

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Re:Semi OT: New drivers
« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2007, 10:02:08 PM »
Ditto on the new Tour Hi-Bore XL.  49 degree lie angle, 3 degree open face.  This is an absolute weapon!!!

This is the club Vijay helped design and used in the Mercedes.
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Geoffrey Childs

Re:Semi OT: New drivers
« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2007, 10:46:31 PM »
Jeff

Find yourself a good clubfitter and let him do his work after you get on a launch monitor.

If you get back to the CT area I can recommend someone good.

Wayne_Kozun

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Re:Semi OT: New drivers
« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2007, 10:51:27 PM »
The new Rapture series from Ping is more for the high handicappers, is it not?  They will still be continuing with their existing series of clubs as well, such as the G5 driver.

cary lichtenstein

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Re:Semi OT: New drivers
« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2007, 02:38:56 AM »
The new Rapture series from Ping is more for the high handicappers, is it not?  They will still be continuing with their existing series of clubs as well, such as the G5 driver.

I have the new Rapture, it is the same as the G2 and G5, they just keep moving the weight around. It is more forgiving on mishits.
Live Jupiter, Fl, was  4 handicap, played top 100 US, top 75 World. Great memories, no longer play, 4 back surgeries. I don't miss a lot of things about golf, life is simpler with out it. I miss my 60 degree wedge shots, don't miss nasty weather, icing, back spasms. Last course I played was Augusta

Steve_ Shaffer

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Re:Semi OT: New drivers
« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2007, 07:28:51 AM »
During my recent AZ trip, there was a Callaway demo day at my friend's club. Both of their new drivers, the FT-5 and the square FT-i, were very impressive.
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David_Madison

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Re:Semi OT: New drivers
« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2007, 08:07:11 AM »
Got the new Hi-Bore XL Tour 10.5 - - bizarrely good. Don't know how they did it, but the ball comes off it with about 600 fewer rpm than anything I've ever hit. When you see the ball fly off it, you'd swear that the face was greased. The ball doesn't soar, but instead just gets up and out, flies flat, and lands hot.

Phil Benedict

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Re:Semi OT: New drivers
« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2007, 08:32:01 AM »
The shaft is the key.  I just got a new Titleist driver and 3-wood with a 95 gram extra stiff shaft.  I had previously used a lighter shaft with s-flex. Makes all the difference in the world because my ball spins less. I don't think I've gained distance but control is way up.

My advice is to test a lot of shafts.    

Wayne_Kozun

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Re:Semi OT: New drivers
« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2007, 11:48:08 AM »
The new Rapture series from Ping is more for the high handicappers, is it not?  They will still be continuing with their existing series of clubs as well, such as the G5 driver.

I have the new Rapture, it is the same as the G2 and G5, they just keep moving the weight around. It is more forgiving on mishits.
So its pretty much the same except that it costs about $150 more!

cary lichtenstein

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Re:Semi OT: New drivers
« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2007, 12:46:00 PM »
The new Rapture series from Ping is more for the high handicappers, is it not?  They will still be continuing with their existing series of clubs as well, such as the G5 driver.

I have the new Rapture, it is the same as the G2 and G5, they just keep moving the weight around. It is more forgiving on mishits.
So its pretty much the same except that it costs about $150 more!

Yes, but your shot dispersion is tighter and if you get a high tech shaft and have it pured, you can spend  another $300 on top of that ;D
Live Jupiter, Fl, was  4 handicap, played top 100 US, top 75 World. Great memories, no longer play, 4 back surgeries. I don't miss a lot of things about golf, life is simpler with out it. I miss my 60 degree wedge shots, don't miss nasty weather, icing, back spasms. Last course I played was Augusta

Jfaspen

Re:Semi OT: New drivers
« Reply #11 on: March 18, 2007, 01:44:00 PM »
I've hit the Hibore XL Tour, Burner and Superquad (both TP) as well as the rapture..

Rapture kept going left on me.

Hibore XL Tour was an amazing club.. Easy to work both ways and control the trajectory.  Burner was very long and accurate.. Superquad was alright, but I liked the burner better.

Also.. Shaftwise.. It's important to note that you can get a Graphalloy Blue or a Proforce V2 for a minimal upgrade price.  Several tour players use both shafts.  I've found them to be worlds about stock shafts in terms of spin reduction and dispersion.

jf

Dan_Callahan

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Re:Semi OT: New drivers
« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2007, 05:19:49 PM »
I was fitted for a driver last summer. I tested the Hibore, Callaway, TaylorMade, etc. According to the launch monitor, the best for me was the Callaway. However, the Titleist 905 was a close second and it fit my eye much better. I went with the Titleist and have been very happy with it. Now that I've maxed out at 460ccs, I don't see changing for a while.

Bryan Izatt

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Re:Semi OT: New drivers
« Reply #13 on: March 18, 2007, 06:49:56 PM »
I'd agree that you should get fitted first and foremost.  And take Jeff's advice re trying different shafts, they do make a difference.  And premium ones vs the manufacturer's shaft.  The manufacturer's' shafts are generally designed softer than labeled and with lower kick points to fit what they think most players really need, higher launch and more spin.

Jeff,

Do you suppose the Burner is longer is because the shaft is now  46" long?  Did you notice a difference in the shaft length?  Taylor are really nifty.  Their irons are longer because they have 3 or 4* less loft.  Their drivers are longer because they have longer shafts.  How does this help the average golfer?

Wayne_Kozun

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Re:Semi OT: New drivers
« Reply #14 on: March 18, 2007, 09:34:56 PM »
How do you know what would work best of the non-standard shafts?  

Last year during Ping demo day at my club I tried out a bunch of drivers and the rep had me on the computer to measure club speed, spin rate, etc.  We found what was the best club for me with the optimal spin rate - which had a stiff shaft, less loft and an offest - so I now play the G5 9* offset - I had been playing a G2 10* regular shaft with no offset.  

How do I know if one of the other shafts would help and even if they did could that not even necessitate a different loft on the driver?  It is not that easy to use the trial and error method as you can with stock shafts.

Geoffrey Childs

Re:Semi OT: New drivers
« Reply #15 on: March 18, 2007, 10:04:24 PM »
How do you know what would work best of the non-standard shafts?  

Last year during Ping demo day at my club I tried out a bunch of drivers and the rep had me on the computer to measure club speed, spin rate, etc.  We found what was the best club for me with the optimal spin rate - which had a stiff shaft, less loft and an offest - so I now play the G5 9* offset - I had been playing a G2 10* regular shaft with no offset.  

How do I know if one of the other shafts would help and even if they did could that not even necessitate a different loft on the driver?  It is not that easy to use the trial and error method as you can with stock shafts.

Wayne

Good fitters know the characteristics of all or most of the aftermarket high end shafts and they also know the launch and spin characteristics of the different heads when you change lofts and vary swingspeeds.  The first thing to do is dial in a head that gives the closest to optinal launch and spin.  Then he will decide if a shaft with higher or lower kickpoints (to afftect launch) and tip stiffness and torque to dial in the spin.  These guys are good and the best of them will not recommend expensive changes unless your game requires it. Its their job and they have tested or seen results with all the heads and shafts and from customers with very varied swingspeeds.

There is also a computer program that projects flight characteristics given the launch and spin and compares them with optimal results for a given swingspeed.
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Bryan Izatt

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Re:Semi OT: New drivers
« Reply #16 on: March 19, 2007, 02:43:02 AM »
Wayne,

Many of the manufacturers include premium shafts in their testing facilities.  Titleist in their Science Van did even two years ago.  I expect that when I go to the Callaway high performance centre up in Vaughan later in the week that they will too.  I've never done Ping so them I don't know.  It's probably the only effective way to do trial and error, although it would be better to do it on an outdoor range so you can actually see the ball flight.

As GJ has pointed out a good fitter can narrow down the possibilities for you and may have samples to try.  Or you can take the appproach I've used in building my own clubs.  Buy a bunch of shafts and heads that have profiles that fit my measured swing, then build them, try them and swap the components to find the ones that matches best.  It gets kind of expensive (9 drivers in the basement so far  :P ) but the difference in results is astonishing.  A head that doesn't work with one premium shaft works wonderfully with another for instance.  Aldila NV, ProtoPype, VS Proto, Graffaloy Comp NT, Proforce V2, GD Purple Ice, I have them all and they all perform differently even though they are all notionally stiff shafts.  I've had three NV shafts that are the same that performed differently.  One turned out to be mislabelled.  Then try mixing and matching them to different heads and lofts, pheew. It ain't easy finding the right one, and the manufacturers get rich selling the hope that the next one will be magic just for you.

Dan Kelly

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Re:Semi OT: New drivers
« Reply #17 on: March 19, 2007, 07:30:46 AM »
Jeff --

The way things are going in our business, prudence might dictate holding on to your cash! :o

Dan
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Tony_Muldoon

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Re:Semi OT: New drivers
« Reply #18 on: March 19, 2007, 08:21:50 AM »
Has anyone ever seen proper research into how consistent a swing you need before you can really get benefit from a personal fitting?  Surely this technology was developed for touring pro's who have a repeatable swing and can control and alter it to suit conditions. Even then Tiger says only 2 golfers have ever 'owned' their swing.

I've played with single figure golfers who judging by ball flight have a pretty repeatable swing, but the rest of us?  Most evidence is anecdotal but I'm sure the average player 'improves' for a while after getting a new driver so of course anyone will say the fitting was worthwhile, but can it be proven and accurately measured?
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