[Adam_F_Collins]

This crazy, sloping, heaving green was created by MacKenzie.
It was redone, as it was seen as ridiculously drastic by the client. But has anyone ever attempted to do such a green again?

If so, where? In not, why?

[Patrick_Mucci]

While the sloped elevation change is missing, the 1st at NGLA is pretty neat, as is the 7th at Friars Head and the 3rd at NGLA.

Today's speeds make such a green unputtable.

[Tom_Doak]

Adam:

I always wanted to build a green like that one.

The closest we've come is the 13th green at Barnbougle Dunes.  It doesn't have as much fall from back to front as the Sitwell Park green, and it sits in a giant bowl of land, but I believe it is of the same spirit.  There are pictures of it here and there but none which really capture the scale of movement in the green.

[Scott Coan]

Here's a couple of pics of the 13th at Barnbougle.  Could have spent 30 minutes chipping/putting on this green but some groups right behind us...

[Adam_F_Collins]

Tom,

How has the response been to this green? What are the particular challenges around something like this?

[Mike_Clayton]

Adam

Some love it but probably more think its silly - the exact same response to the original so that ought not be a surprise.
It's great fun and the skill it demands from the tee is to play a shot with the right shape and trajectory that lands in the perfect spot and runs to the hole.
Its a low bouncing draw back to the back left pin but an entirely different shot to ant pin short of the middle.
You cannot get close simply by hitting a high soft iron that lands close to the flag because it will not stay anywhere near where it lands.

There are obviously a lot of options with the short shots around the greens.
You do need a sense of humour to enjoy the hole and if that is you can manage that you will love it - much like the sadly lost original.

[Jim Nugent]

Here's a link that shows the original green at Sitwell Park, and also photos of what's become of it.  

http://www.designmentor.co.uk/golf/sitwell_park.htm

To call the original green "undulating" is severe understatement.  It looks like some of those rolling fairways at Prairie Dunes.  

[Patrick_Mucci_Jr]

Mike Clayton,

Is it a sense of humor that's needed or a vivid imagination ?

It would seem that approach and recovery shots require more in the way of intellect.

[Tyler Kearns]

Patrick,

Both. I 2-putted from across the green (50-ft) and I read about 3 breaks in my putt. When it finally nestled near the hole, probably 10-12 seconds after stroking it, it had taken another couple of twists and turns that I hadn't expected. What made that time so exhilirating was that I went through a series of emotional highs and lows, the initial stroke felt like I'de 2-putt, halfway there it looked like a 3-putt, and after an unread final turn, I thought I would hole out for a birdie 2. Regardless, it was very fun and challenging, and that really is the heart of sound architecture.

TK

[Mike_Clayton]

Patrick,

I agree with Tyler - you need both.

If you think golf should be fair and predictable and an endless succession of pars and birdies (most tour pros) you would be excused for not liking it.

[Jason McNamara]

Here's a link that shows the original green at Sitwell Park, and also photos of what's become of it.  

http://www.designmentor.co.uk/golf/sitwell_park.htm

A side note for those who may not know:  The web site is that of Andy Levett, who's a member here (and the winner of the big Christmas Quiz).

[Tony_Muldoon]

Who'd have thought it, Yorkshire a home of innovation in Golf. I think this (todays 12th at Brough Gc http://www.brough-golfclub.co.uk/hole12.htm?)
 and the Sitwell Prk course were attempts to 'push the envelope'. this was originally the 7th and Henry Cotton described it as a
'gathering green'.

[Marty Bonnar]

Here's a link that shows the original green at Sitwell Park, and also photos of what's become of it.  

http://www.designmentor.co.uk/golf/sitwell_park.htm

A side note for those who may not know:  The web site is that of Andy Levett, who's a member here (and the winner of the big Christmas Quiz).

Nicely said, Jason/Jim. Andy also has some of the BEST pics of Machrihanish I've ever seen:

http://www.designmentor.co.uk/golf/machrihanish.htm

FBD.

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