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Jason Blasberg

A solipsistic theory of course design analysis
« on: November 01, 2006, 11:36:59 PM »
"Solipsism: n: (philosophy) the philosophical theory that the self is all that you know to exist."

As defined a solipsistic view cannot compare itself to others as the concept of other is unknown.

Perhaps we should all endeavor to be more solipsistic in our view of course design, with a proviso.

The provisio is that we exist, in a state of nature, with all the knowledge of golden age architecture past, however, we experience each course we visit for itself, by itself, in itself . . . afterall, the solipsistic GCA afficianado knows what great architecture should be but doesn't observe any particular course beyond itself.  A wholly specific analysis if you will.  

It renders ratings or rankings or other rather futile thought comparisons moot and it focuses us, all of us, on the merits or weaknesses at hand.  

We lose the inane arguments of best public on Long Island, worst private in OZ and everything inbetween and we are set free, existing analytically only one course at a time,

solipsistically playing the day away . . .

Is this possible and if so, is it better than what we're currently doing?
« Last Edit: November 01, 2006, 11:37:40 PM by Jason Blasberg »

paul cowley

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Re:A solipsistic theory of course design analysis
« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2006, 04:26:05 AM »
Jason ......not trying to be flip here, but its comforting  :-\ to know that my condition, or the condition that others subscribe to me, [living in a bubble], has such a fine sounding definition.
I generally look at other courses in the context of how they relate to me, according to my scales, without comparison to a larger or foreign rating system. I guess its kind of like shopping and putting things in my buggy that appeal to me while leaving out what I don't want....and all the while thinking about how I am going to incorporate  these items for my own use. The experience is a personal one and largely without the need to be part of a bigger picture full of criticising and comparisons etc.
And this is one of the reasons I don't generally participate in  course rating, ranking or criticizing discussions....... I don't really have an internal basis for comparison, or at least one that relates to many of these kind of topics that are often  discussed here. Looking through my eyes Matt Ward is a horse of an entirely different color.

Sorry, I wish I could be of more help....hello, is anyone out there?....I thought I just heard something...oh well probably nothing.....  
« Last Edit: November 02, 2006, 06:52:05 AM by paul cowley »
paul cowley...golf course architect/asgca

cary lichtenstein

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Re:A solipsistic theory of course design analysis
« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2006, 04:33:37 AM »
Is Donald Trump the ultimate Solipsistic, followed by Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld?
Live Jupiter, Fl, was  4 handicap, played top 100 US, top 75 World. Great memories, no longer play, 4 back surgeries. I don't miss a lot of things about golf, life is simpler with out it. I miss my 60 degree wedge shots, don't miss nasty weather, icing, back spasms. Last course I played was Augusta

Mark_Fine

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Re:A solipsistic theory of course design analysis
« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2006, 04:43:35 AM »
Jason,
This is great until one has to decide which course to go have their out of body experience on  ;)  

What would end up happening is that someone/group would come up with a list of all these "individual" assesments and rank them.  

Get over it!  It is human nature to compare things.  Why should golf courses get a pass!
Mark

ForkaB

Re:A solipsistic theory of course design analysis
« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2006, 04:48:51 AM »
I'm wondering why the "solipsism" thread is crushing the "relativism" thread?  I'm in the logical positivism camp, but that's just me.

paul cowley

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Re:A solipsistic theory of course design analysis
« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2006, 06:31:21 AM »
Is Donald Trump the ultimate Solipsistic, followed by Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld?

Cary....maybe, but I'm sure that Barbra and the rest of the 'stars' fit the definition well.
paul cowley...golf course architect/asgca

cary lichtenstein

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Re:A solipsistic theory of course design analysis
« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2006, 06:33:11 AM »
 ;D ;D
Live Jupiter, Fl, was  4 handicap, played top 100 US, top 75 World. Great memories, no longer play, 4 back surgeries. I don't miss a lot of things about golf, life is simpler with out it. I miss my 60 degree wedge shots, don't miss nasty weather, icing, back spasms. Last course I played was Augusta

TEPaul

Re:A solipsistic theory of course design analysis
« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2006, 06:40:10 AM »
"I'm wondering why the "solipsism" thread is crushing the "relativism" thread?"

Rich:

Are you really?  ;) :)
« Last Edit: November 02, 2006, 06:40:22 AM by TEPaul »

BCrosby

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Re:A solipsistic theory of course design analysis
« Reply #8 on: November 02, 2006, 07:09:08 AM »
I'm in the logical positivism camp, but that's just me.

Rich:

Are you really? Tight with Auguste Comte these days? ;)
« Last Edit: November 02, 2006, 07:35:54 AM by BCrosby »

A.G._Crockett

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Re:A solipsistic theory of course design analysis
« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2006, 08:28:19 AM »
I believe this to be a restatement and elaboration on the "Big World" theory of course design analysis.  :)
"Golf...is usually played with the outward appearance of great dignity.  It is, nevertheless, a game of considerable passion, either of the explosive type, or that which burns inwardly and sears the soul."      Bobby Jones

ForkaB

Re:A solipsistic theory of course design analysis
« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2006, 10:32:07 AM »
I'm in the logical positivism camp, but that's just me.

Rich:

Are you really? Tight with Auguste Comte these days? ;)

Comte?  Tu jeste, certainement!  Postiviste, Oui; Positiviste Logicale, Non.  What sort of tripe did they teach you at Harvard, Buckaroo? ;)

A.G._Crockett

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Re:A solipsistic theory of course design analysis
« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2006, 11:47:47 AM »
I'm in the logical positivism camp, but that's just me.

Rich:

Are you really? Tight with Auguste Comte these days? ;)

Comte?  Tu jeste, certainement!  Postiviste, Oui; Positiviste Logicale, Non.  What sort of tripe did they teach you at Harvard, Buckaroo? ;)

 ???  
Is this thread over?
"Golf...is usually played with the outward appearance of great dignity.  It is, nevertheless, a game of considerable passion, either of the explosive type, or that which burns inwardly and sears the soul."      Bobby Jones

BCrosby

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Re:A solipsistic theory of course design analysis
« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2006, 11:50:40 AM »
Oui. C'est fini. Tu peut retourner au bulot.
« Last Edit: November 02, 2006, 11:51:28 AM by BCrosby »

A.G._Crockett

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Re:A solipsistic theory of course design analysis
« Reply #13 on: November 02, 2006, 12:03:01 PM »
Oui. C'est fini. Tu peut retourner au bulot.

Say what?  :-\
"Golf...is usually played with the outward appearance of great dignity.  It is, nevertheless, a game of considerable passion, either of the explosive type, or that which burns inwardly and sears the soul."      Bobby Jones

BCrosby

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Re:A solipsistic theory of course design analysis
« Reply #14 on: November 02, 2006, 12:15:52 PM »
A.G. -

I means we're done, let's get back to work.

A bientot.

Bob


JESII

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Re:A solipsistic theory of course design analysis
« Reply #15 on: November 02, 2006, 01:21:10 PM »
OK, enough of that mexican jibberish I want to answer this thread.

Jason,

I have always thought it makes sense to try to analyze how a course is handled by the whole spectrum of golfers it was intended to host. If I look at how a course effects me and only me I will not be doing the architect any justice. And if an architect creates a course for me and only me he would not be doing the golf world any good.

This has nothing to do with ratings or rankings or whatever, but everything to do with analyzing a golf course on its merits.

Thoughts?

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