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Jordan Wall

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« on: October 31, 2006, 01:07:20 PM »
A lot of times some sort of Top-100 list is talked about on here.

If GCA had a Top-100 world list, what would it look like (ie--what would the list be)?

JW

Brad Tufts

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« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2006, 01:15:35 PM »
I think you're probably on thin ice with this idea...a consensus top 100 from this board would be less likely than the discovery of the theory of everything....the supposition has been roundly shouted down before...
So I jump ship in Hong Kong....

Brian Joines

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« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2006, 01:23:07 PM »
There has been talk of putting one of the together on this board but i don't think it ever happened. I'll try and find the previous threads on the subject.

Jordan Wall

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« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2006, 01:25:51 PM »
From what I hear about courses, the top ten courses may be (in no particular order):

NGLA
CPC
PVGC
ANGC
TOC
North Berwick?
Shinnecock
Merion
Portrush
Country Down


...or something of the like...?

Mark Pearce

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« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2006, 01:28:11 PM »
From what I hear about courses, the top ten courses may be (in no particular order):

NGLA
CPC
PVGC
ANGC
TOC
North Berwick?
Shinnecock
Merion
Portrush
Country Down


...or something of the like...?

Great though it is, North Berwick isn't in the top ten in Britain.
In June I will be riding the first three stages of this year's Tour de France route for charity.  630km (394 miles) in three days, with 7800m (25,600 feet) of climbing for the William Wates Memorial Trust (https://rideleloop.org/the-charity/) which supports underprivileged young people.

Craig Van Egmond

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« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2006, 01:31:11 PM »

I'm sorry Jordan you have it all wrong.. its Sand Hills followed by all other C&C courses... throw in some Doak courses and there you have it.    ;)

Jordan Wall

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« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2006, 01:37:00 PM »
Craig,

That was all off the top of my head.

Throw in Pac. Dunes, and Sand Hills, take out North Berwick..?

So many options...

Sean Leary

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« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2006, 01:37:20 PM »
From what I hear about courses, the top ten courses may be (in no particular order):

NGLA
CPC
PVGC
ANGC
TOC
North Berwick?
Shinnecock
Merion
Portrush
Country Down


...or something of the like...?

Great though it is, North Berwick isn't in the top ten in Britain.

I think Jordan is getting at more of GCA's favorites more than best, if that makes any sense.

Aaron Katz

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« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2006, 01:45:25 PM »
This idea has some legs behind it.  Perhaps Ran could publish that Top 100 list, and even frame the list and send it to the courses who make the list.  The list could be advertised as an "alternative" to Golfweek, Digest, and Golf. We could then all be raters.  This would allow us access to the world's best courses. ??? ;D
« Last Edit: October 31, 2006, 01:45:42 PM by Aaron Katz »

Mark Pearce

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« Reply #9 on: October 31, 2006, 01:49:00 PM »
From what I hear about courses, the top ten courses may be (in no particular order):

NGLA
CPC
PVGC
ANGC
TOC
North Berwick?
Shinnecock
Merion
Portrush
Country Down


...or something of the like...?

Great though it is, North Berwick isn't in the top ten in Britain.

I think Jordan is getting at more of GCA's favorites more than best, if that makes any sense.
Even so, is it really "favoured" here over Ganton, Alwoodley and Dornoch, to name but three superior courses and GCA favourites?
In June I will be riding the first three stages of this year's Tour de France route for charity.  630km (394 miles) in three days, with 7800m (25,600 feet) of climbing for the William Wates Memorial Trust (https://rideleloop.org/the-charity/) which supports underprivileged young people.

Sean Leary

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« Reply #10 on: October 31, 2006, 01:55:46 PM »
Mark,

I would say so only because more of the US folks have played at NB.

Rye would make the list as well, I would think.

Garland Bayley

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« Reply #11 on: October 31, 2006, 02:09:35 PM »
Jordan,

That is County Down. And you would have us think you took AP English.
 ;D
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Brad Tufts

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« Reply #12 on: October 31, 2006, 02:09:41 PM »
This idea has some legs behind it.  Perhaps Ran could publish that Top 100 list, and even frame the list and send it to the courses who make the list.  The list could be advertised as an "alternative" to Golfweek, Digest, and Golf. We could then all be raters.  This would allow us access to the world's best courses. ??? ;D

Only if he makes pegboards we all can put on our walls....haha  ::) :-X
« Last Edit: October 31, 2006, 02:10:07 PM by Brad Tufts »
So I jump ship in Hong Kong....

Jordan Wall

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« Reply #13 on: October 31, 2006, 02:42:05 PM »
Jordan,

That is County Down. And you would have us think you took AP English.
 ;D

Ugh, I know what it is.
I was in history when I typed that, perhaps I was thinking County but wrote Country..
 :-[


Sean,

You are correct.

Phil McDade

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« Reply #14 on: October 31, 2006, 03:01:32 PM »
Jordan:

Here goes; the following is a vain attempt at a top 100 list of GCA favorites -- many reviewed on this site, a few brought up on the discussion board, and a few others. In no real particular order, but you can sort of get a drift of (some) connections among the groupings:

1-10: NGLA, Merion East, Merion West, Winged Foot East, WF West, Oakmont, Shinnecock, Augusta National, Bethpage Black, Pinehurst 2.
11-20: Sand Hills, Ballyneal, Wild Horse, Seabonack, Bandon Dunes, Pacific Dunes, Bandon Trails, Kingsley, Greywalls, Friar's Head.
21-30: Lawsonia, Fishers Island, Carmago, Chicago, Garden City, Crystal Downs, CC of Charleston, Yeamans Hall, Shoreacres, Pine Valley.
31-40: Cypress Point, Pebble Beach, Riveria, San Francisco, Pasatiempo, Skokie, Beverly, Seminole, Essex Co., Salem.
41-50: Engineers, Huntington Valley, Yale, Wannamoisett, Prairie Dunes, Lehigh, Rolling Green, The Creek, Maidstone, Eastward Ho!
51-60: Blue Mounds, Piping Rock, Plainfield, Somerset Hills, Victoria National, Black Mesa, Tobacco Road, Rustic Canyon, The Golf Club (Ohio), Kiawah-Ocean.
61-70: The Old Course, The New Course, Royal County Down, Machrihanish, Royal Portrush, Ballybunion (Old), Lahinch, Carne, Addington, Alwoodley.
71-80: Rye, Royal Cinque Ports, Royal Dornoch, Royal North Devon, Royal Worlington and Newmarket, Brora, Cruden Bay, Elie, North Berwick, The Glen Club.
81-90: Prestwick, Pennard, Painswick, Hoylake, Turnberry, Carnoustie, Woking, Beau Desert, Swinley Forest, Ganton.
91-99: Woodhall Spa, Royal St. George's, Mussleburgh Old, The Honorable Co. (Muirfield), Sunningdale (Old), St. Enodoc, Cape Breton Highlands, Royal Mellbourne (Championship or West, either one...), Cape Kidnappers.

And last but by no means whatsoever, least:

100: The Reverse Jans National.

cary lichtenstein

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« Reply #15 on: October 31, 2006, 03:04:56 PM »
Jordan

If you look at the top 50 lists on GD, GM and GW, they are nearly identical

Cary
Live Jupiter, Fl, was  4 handicap, played top 100 US, top 75 World. Great memories, no longer play, 4 back surgeries. I don't miss a lot of things about golf, life is simpler with out it. I miss my 60 degree wedge shots, don't miss nasty weather, icing, back spasms. Last course I played was Augusta

Tim Leahy

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« Reply #16 on: October 31, 2006, 03:10:07 PM »
31-40: Cypress Point, Pebble Beach, Riveria, San Francisco, Pasatiempo, Skokie, Beverly, Seminole, Essex Co., Salem.

Thirty courses ahead of Cypress and Pebble? What's the matter, can't swim or afraid of the ocean?
I love golf, the fightin irish, and beautiful women depending on the season and availability.

Carlyle Rood

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« Reply #17 on: October 31, 2006, 04:09:30 PM »
I don't even think this group could agree on a list if it were merely ranked alphabetically!  ;D

Tony_Muldoon

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« Reply #18 on: October 31, 2006, 04:15:26 PM »
I don't even think this group could agree on a list if it were merely ranked alphabetically!  ;D

Carlyle you are so right.  I was once picked up just because I started a list with

Worplesdon
Woodhall Spa
Woking
West Hill
Walton Heath
Let's make GCA grate again!

Phil McDade

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« Reply #19 on: October 31, 2006, 04:22:41 PM »
Too lazy to arrange alphabetically, or by architect, or by region, to the exactitude some here might expect/demand. I just started writing down a list and regurgitated it.

And, no, I haven't played most of these -- I've played something like three.

Shivas: Sheep Ranch is sort of an unofficial course, is it not? It's not nearly as organized as the THRJN....

Gib_Papazian

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« Reply #20 on: October 31, 2006, 04:30:33 PM »
On the far side of the Pond, I insist on the inclusion of Prestwick and Lahinch.

Don't bother to give me an argument or opinion - I'm the ultimate arbiter of taste on the this board and are therefore infallable.  ;D


The truth: There is a common thread running through this tapestry of archiphreaks and I think you would be surprised how much agreement any list assembled here would get (by vote) and how few vociferous rants would be ignited by the inclusion (or exclusion) of this course or that course.

Now, the order in which the list were presented might illicit a scream or two, but that is to be expected with the enormous egos involved.

Including - and perhaps especially - moi' . . .  

I still believe in that little phrase below all my posts that the vast majority of the Treehouse dwellers find golf more enjoyable as a whimsical experience than antiseptic examination.

We have our share of Matt Wards, but the truth is that GCAtlas is more lockstep than anybody wants to admit.

And there is nothing wrong with that because I count myself with the locksteppers. As TEPaul loves to point out, there is a big world out there and plenty of room in the tent for all tastes in golf architecture.

But most of us are sitting at one particular table in the corner, drawing up Redan holes on our placemats.

« Last Edit: October 31, 2006, 04:32:26 PM by Gib Papazian »

Joe Hancock

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« Reply #21 on: October 31, 2006, 05:42:10 PM »
My question is very short:

Why?

Joe
" What the hell is the point of architecture and excellence in design if a "clever" set up trumps it all?" Peter Pallotta, June 21, 2016

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Michael Dugger

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« Reply #22 on: October 31, 2006, 05:49:37 PM »
I always believed it was a three way tie between Cypress Point, Sand Hills and NGLA for first place.  ;)

So, the official list is comprised of three names. :P

Does anyone object to the immediate addition of Shinnecock Hills, Pine Valley, Royal County Down or Pebble Beach?

That gives us 7 courses I think have unanimous approval.

In alphabetical order....

Cypress Point
National Golf Links of America
Pebble Beach
Pine Valley
Royal County Down
Sand Hills
Shinnecock Hills

Seven courses.......

What is next????  Work our way down...
What does it matter if the poor player can putt all the way from tee to green, provided that he has to zigzag so frequently that he takes six or seven putts to reach it?     --Alistair Mackenzie--

Jordan Wall

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« Reply #23 on: October 31, 2006, 06:50:37 PM »
I always believed it was a three way tie between Cypress Point, Sand Hills and NGLA for first place.  ;)

So, the official list is comprised of three names. :P

Does anyone object to the immediate addition of Shinnecock Hills, Pine Valley, Royal County Down or Pebble Beach?

That gives us 7 courses I think have unanimous approval.

In alphabetical order....

Cypress Point
National Golf Links of America
Pebble Beach
Pine Valley
Royal County Down
Sand Hills
Shinnecock Hills

Seven courses.......

What is next????  Work our way down...

Im positive, from what I have personally heard from other GCA'ers, that Merion should be on that list.


I suppose Augusta, and Pacific Dunes are unamnimously on the list.
TOC, Portrsuh, Ballybunion, Carnoustie, too.
What about Seminole? Royal Melbourne? Rolling Green? Huntingdon Valley?

Jerry Kluger

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« Reply #24 on: October 31, 2006, 08:57:31 PM »
I always felt that the best way to do it is to make a top 100 list but the courses would be listed alphabetically. Is there really a significant difference between number 10 and number 90 when you're talking about the top 100 out of how many thousands of courses.

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