Gents:
Couple of quick comments on the list --
I do concur w Cary on Greywalls -- the course, IMHO, should easily be in the top ten. I would not hesitate for a NY minute for it be in that kind of lofty company.
3 Creek Ranch is nicely done by Rees but the layout, minus a few holes of note, is primarily a formulaic design that's got the benefit of the Grand Tetons being in the background.
How does Outlaw continue on the "best new" when it's been opened for a few years now?
I'd like to know the specific time frame involved here in order to get a sense of what's being considered and what's not.
One other comment for now -- Neshanic Valley is a fine taxpayer-owned layout in Somerset County, NJ. It is, however, not one of the top 50 "best new" in the USA. Rochelle Ranch, the Ken Kavanaugh design in Rawlins, WY simply blows it away -- part of the rationale comes down how much any course has been visited / played.
Last item -- glad to see the two Engh courses noted but the order is wrong -- Pradera belongs higher than Lakota Canyon Ranch.
Jerry:
I have not played the Upper Course at Whisper Rock thus far. Was supposed to play it this past spring but time worked against me. How high do you think the course should be rated ?
John K:
You completely missed my point -- all I suggested is that people play from tees they are comfortable with when handling any course. Simple as that -- got it.
If people play from the wrong tees it's possible -- often times likely -- their opinion will be influenced because of their personal experience.
Candidly, do you really believe Stone Eagle is better than the Nicklaus course at Pringhorn ?