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PThomas

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Re:Striped 150 poles?
« Reply #25 on: October 27, 2006, 05:25:49 PM »
definitely good on public courses
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Adrian_Stiff

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Re:Striped 150 poles?
« Reply #26 on: October 27, 2006, 05:27:27 PM »
I can't say I'm bothered by them.

What I'm surprised about is the disappearance of colored stakes at 100, 150 and 200 which I used to see back in the 80's and 90's. Better than searching for sprinkler heads and the stakes are off in the rough, not in the line of play.
I like the raised discs that pop down when the mower rolls over them at 100-150-200. Quite a good idea for speeding playwithout being too intrusive, though really i'd prefer nothing. My pet hate are the dwarf conifer bushes either side of the fairway at 150, a lot of UK clubs did this in the 90s, did you do this in the states? many UK clubs have fished them out now.
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Gary Slatter

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Re:Striped 150 poles?
« Reply #27 on: October 28, 2006, 10:20:56 AM »
Thumbs up! We recently removed the poles on one course and added half hour to the playing time-not only first timers rely on the poles for targets, our members rely on them for quick distance-club selection.  I got more instant feedback than any other thing that I've done!
Gary Slatter
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Don Dinkmeyer

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Re:Striped 150 poles?
« Reply #28 on: October 28, 2006, 10:47:02 PM »
Up - its hard enough on a new course without a clue. On a familiar course, easier to find than the dual pines on both sides of the fairway at 150.


Lloyd_Cole

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Re:Striped 150 poles?
« Reply #29 on: October 29, 2006, 06:45:44 PM »
Frankly, I'm happy with them and I can do without sprinkler heads. How many times do you find yourself on an unknown course, on the fairway, wasting time looking for a sprinkler head... 'There must be one around here, right?'... I'm happy to guess my yardage if I have aconsistent method of doing it. And as for the eyesore element, only the very wealthy courses can afford to consider this - most courses rely too heavily on green fees. And the visitors getting around quickly will always get the members' vote.

JR Potts

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Re:Striped 150 poles?
« Reply #30 on: October 29, 2006, 08:20:50 PM »
I prefer mine every 50 yards.


We are talking about stripper poles, right?  

RJ_Daley

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Re:Striped 150 poles?
« Reply #31 on: October 30, 2006, 08:25:09 AM »
On public courses that get a lot of first time or occasional play, I can see their value.  I dislike the middle of fairway barber poles.  On very rare occasions, if the FW is a blind shot over horizon that is very uncertain, I can live with an aiming pole.  I can also  support a white stake either side of FW at 150 and red at 100, or red and white discs in fairway.  Of course walkers can check the sprinklers that have yardages as they walk to their ball and then poles are redundant.  If you have a sprinkler yardage that is within 20 yards of your ball, what is the problem?

As for private courses, particularly great courses, the poles are as idiotic as range finders, GPS and all that.  What is the sense of having a GPS with the little glass jewelry cut in the top of the flag pole for GPS, and then have a skyline green?  The entire fun of many golf hole designs is to create uncertainty.  If you shoot a yardage of 136.5 yards to the pin, you take an important element of wonder and cleverness out of the game.  This coming from a hacker with a poor sense of depth perception.  Many holes set up to my eye where I might be on the 100 disc and swear it is only 60 yards or so.   ::) ;D
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Jay Flemma

Re:Striped 150 poles?
« Reply #32 on: October 30, 2006, 01:20:32 PM »
Thumbs down...yes they help, but I cant stand the sight of a barber pole in the middle of the playing field.  I'd rather a plate in the ground.

I have the same reaction as the "man law" guys in the "lime in a beer commercial."

Don't fruit the beer?  Don't barber pole the golf course!  Come on people, Man law!

For the record, I hate yardage binoculars too...
« Last Edit: October 30, 2006, 01:21:21 PM by Jay Flemma »

Bob_Huntley

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Re:Striped 150 poles?
« Reply #33 on: October 30, 2006, 01:59:26 PM »


As for private courses, particularly great courses, the poles are as idiotic as range finders, GPS and all that.  What is the sense of having a GPS with the little glass jewelry cut in the top of the flag pole for GPS, and then have a skyline green?  The entire fun of many golf hole designs is to create uncertainty.  If you shoot a yardage of 136.5 yards to the pin, you take an important element of wonder and cleverness out of the game.  This coming from a hacker with a poor sense of depth perception.  Many holes set up to my eye where I might be on the 100 disc and swear it is only 60 yards or so.   ::) ;D

Mr. Daly,

Your skyline green comment says it all.

Bob

John Kavanaugh

Re:Striped 150 poles?
« Reply #34 on: October 30, 2006, 02:03:25 PM »

For the record, I hate yardage binoculars too...

Hey, I hate yardage books too..

Tom Huckaby

Re:Striped 150 poles?
« Reply #35 on: October 30, 2006, 02:05:05 PM »
I hate yardage period.  Let's go back to zero markings anywhere and make this the test the game is supposed to be.  It's so damn easy these days.  Man I shoot 66 with my eyes closed the way things are today.

 ;)

Steve Lang

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Re:Striped 150 poles?
« Reply #36 on: October 30, 2006, 02:46:27 PM »
 8)

Hell, why not just get off the golf course altogether and play overland in parks, schoolyards, and fields.. go back to hitting balls at rabbit holes beside the gorse to satisfy your purist needs??

thumbs up for me..  on speed of play alone

one pole, green & white stripes at the 150 yd center of fairway..  at first i didn't like them, several years later, no big deal
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Lloyd_Cole

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Re:Striped 150 poles?
« Reply #37 on: October 30, 2006, 05:47:09 PM »
This is the post Hogan and Nicklaus world. Yardages are here to stay. Sure, it's fun to play where there are no yardages, but face it - they are pretty much everywhere. And yes, you do look at them, even if you wish you didn't.  Pace of play gets my vote ahead of (what I consider) a minor eyesore. The pole is easily seen from a distance. The disc/sprinkler head is not. Shrubs are just plain confusing.

Adrian_Stiff

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Re:Striped 150 poles?
« Reply #38 on: October 30, 2006, 06:07:46 PM »
This is the post Hogan and Nicklaus world. Yardages are here to stay. Sure, it's fun to play where there are no yardages, but face it - they are pretty much everywhere. And yes, you do look at them, even if you wish you didn't.  Pace of play gets my vote ahead of (what I consider) a minor eyesore. The pole is easily seen from a distance. The disc/sprinkler head is not. Shrubs are just plain confusing.
LLoyd have u seen the raised gold ball like disc? its about 6 inches high and 12 inches across, the mowers glide over, very visible from from 50 yards, easy maintenance (ie no mowing around a pole) and not glarinfly obvious within a landscape.
A combination of whats good for golf and good for turf.
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Lloyd_Cole

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Re:Striped 150 poles?
« Reply #39 on: October 30, 2006, 08:13:32 PM »
Quote from: Adrian_Stiff
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LLoyd have u seen the raised gold ball like disc? its about 6 inches high and 12 inches across, the mowers glide over, very visible from from 50 yards, easy maintenance (ie no mowing around a pole) and not glarinfly obvious within a landscape.
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Adrian - I've seen raised discs, not 6" high, but a little fairway undulation and these are not always visible.. not meaning to be pig headed..

Tim MacEachern

Re:Striped 150 poles?
« Reply #40 on: October 30, 2006, 09:26:55 PM »
First day of our invitational tournament last year.  Started number 9, playing the back first (yes, turn is at 8 ).  Played the front seven and was even par on #8 tee, my last hole of the day, 387 yards.  Wind is NW30 km/hour, right into our faces.  Not hitting the drive all that long and don't want to try to overpower it, so I dink one out the middle of the fairway.  Leaves about 170 in, uphill.  A playing partner is waiting for another hole to clear before hitting, so I joke to my other fellow competitor "170 going on 200".  Having nothing else to do, I walk up to the pole and pace it off back.  173.  My turn to hit comes.  Thinking "just one more good shot", I hit a choked-up, knock -down 3-wood.  "Perfect", I think.  Then "clunk" I hear.  "Clunk?"  Ball hits the pole (directly on my line), goes way up in the air, curves gently right and splashes into the only water hazard on the course.  Take my drop, hit my approach a little short of a red pin, then flub an easy up & down for a triple.

Second day, I shoot one over.  Finished four over, overall.  Tournament winner shot two over.  Do I like 150-yard poles?  I can take 'em or leave 'em.  Leave 'em at the bottom of the lake, preferably.   :P :P :P
« Last Edit: October 30, 2006, 09:27:35 PM by Tim MacEachern »

D_Malley

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Re:Striped 150 poles?
« Reply #41 on: October 31, 2006, 10:06:48 AM »
i am very surprised at how many people on this site say up for the barber poles.  does this not take away from the natural beauty of a golf hole?

Tony_Muldoon

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Re:Striped 150 poles?
« Reply #42 on: October 31, 2006, 10:23:14 AM »
i am very surprised at how many people on this site say up for the barber poles.  does this not take away from the natural beauty of a golf hole?

Racetrack what's your view on the 18 poles with little flags on them :)?
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D_Malley

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Re:Striped 150 poles?
« Reply #43 on: October 31, 2006, 11:09:20 AM »
i guess we do have to keep them :), but there should be no indication of hole placement on the flag or flag stick.

Tom Huckaby

Re:Striped 150 poles?
« Reply #44 on: October 31, 2006, 11:39:15 AM »
Tim M. - sad story.  But I assume this was the extremely rare 150 pole that could not be removed and laid on the ground, then placed back in its underground sleeve?  They are certainly not meant to be hazards....

 ;)

Doug Wright

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Re:Striped 150 poles?
« Reply #45 on: October 31, 2006, 12:43:29 PM »
Really think they're good for public courses, and actually I'm surprised more don't have 'em.
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tonyt

Re:Striped 150 poles?
« Reply #46 on: October 31, 2006, 04:25:01 PM »
Flat markers to me are usually worthless as they require incessant walking around

Rubbish.

If sprinkler heads and 150 markers are out there, you'd normally have to walk past a few to get to your ball. Just note the yardage of the last one before your ball and pace the rest. You not only don't have to look for them, you don't even have to break your stride. The key is to not wait until you get to your ball before worrying about the yardage.

A few good men here are saying thumbs up, so what do I know. I've only seen them at two places in the flesh, but in both instances and in ALL the photo instances on here, they look absolutely horrible. A ground marker NEVER looks as intrusive or so completely out of place as a pole.

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