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M. Shea Sweeney

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Can one hole...
« on: October 20, 2006, 09:42:53 AM »
 After all this talk about the 12th at GCGC..

Can one single hole define a golf course?

Can that one hole boost that course to the next level?
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Philippe Binette

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Re:Can one hole...
« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2006, 10:18:45 AM »
One great hole cannot define a course as a great course...

but

One bad hole can really deminished a course.

Jimmy Muratt

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« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2006, 10:24:18 AM »
The best courses are defined by the sum of their parts.  I think often times too much emphasis is placed on one great hole or one stinker.  Those certainly can elevate or diminish, but not to such a great extreme.  

One hole only equates to 5.6% of the golf course.....

Phil McDade

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« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2006, 11:49:24 AM »
Somewhere in the past year I came across a thread in which Ran M. discussed the issue, and (paraphrasing now...) he said there is something to admire about courses that aren't 18 holes of perfection, ala Sand Hills (meaning, SH is viewed as 18 wonderful holes). He liked courses that had imperfections, or ones that had holes that generated strenuous debate about their merits.

That's probably different than the debate about Garden City's 12th, which -- having never played there -- seems to be about altering an original portion of the course that is incongruous with the rest of it. It may be more similar to the debate about the 18th at Cypress Point, which even the World Atlas of Golf has described as the world's best 17-hole golf course.


Kyle Harris

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« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2006, 11:55:52 AM »
I think one great hole can bring legitimacy to the holes around it. If the hole is routed over the prime piece of the property and the architect would be dumb NOT to put a hole there using a mediocre or "good" set of holes leading up to the great hole make the so-so holes worth it.

Perhaps my one sole complaint about Pine Hill in New Jersey is that Fazio didn't maintain a core routing on the front side and the holes left after an extended walk are of the "so-so" variety.

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