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Bob_Huntley

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MacKenzie Trivia.......
« on: October 19, 2006, 12:31:57 PM »
I was reading Professor James Scott's obit. in The Telegraph this morning and in it, the writer mentions " MacKenzies  attraction to women with adrenogenital syndrome; he was, however, best known for designing the Augusta course on which the American Open is played."

Forget the bit about Augusta, but Redanman, please help me out here, but does AS  mean what I think it means?

Bob


Noel Freeman

Re:MacKenzie Trivia.......
« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2006, 12:34:21 PM »
Uncle Bob--Were they alluding perhaps to say M. Hollins?  

As Austin Powers said, "She was quite mannish!"



« Last Edit: October 19, 2006, 02:50:59 PM by Noel Freeman »

Bob_Huntley

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Re:MacKenzie Trivia.......
« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2006, 12:38:28 PM »
Noel,

I hadn't thought of that. Thanks.

A bit masochistic though to have one's lover hit it by you by fifty yards and also to have to ask them if they can open the jam jar.

Bob

Noel Freeman

Re:MacKenzie Trivia.......
« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2006, 12:40:24 PM »
Here's a link--

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?view=DETAILS&grid=&xml=/news/2006/10/19/db1903.xml

and text...

Prof James Scott
(Filed: 19/10/2006)



Professor James Scott who has died aged 82, was a pioneer in the field of reproductive immunology and carried out research into congenital heart block and obstetric complications; in 1991 he wrote a report for the Department of Health on clinical practice in ovarian cancer.

The elder son of the Glaswegian physician and surgeon Angus McAlpine Scott, James Steel Scott was born in Glasgow on April 18 1924 and educated at Glasgow Academy and at Glasgow University. Scott gained his first clinical experience at the Rotunda Maternity Hospital in Dublin, beginning a life-long association with Ireland which included working as external examiner to the national University of Ireland. After doing his National Service in the RAMC, he spent much of his early career in Liverpool, latterly as Senior Lecturer in Professor Sir Thomas Norman Jeffcoate's department of Obstetrics and Gynaecology, where he carried out original research into placental abnormalities. It was in Liverpool, too, that he met his wife, Olive Sharpe, the paediatric cardiologist.

Scott was appointed to the Chair of Obstetrics & Gynaecology at the Leeds in 1961, at the remarkably young age of 37. Under his leadership the department acquired an international reputation and his eminence led to many international visiting professorships. Scott was a famously stern critic and reviewer of scientific papers but also a hard-working, skilled clinician and courageous surgeon; he served on many medical committees, though committee work was not his natural milieu.

advertisementOne colleague recalled that Scott would often remain silent, if not somnolent, during meetings until they neared their conclusion, when he would perk up and ask the pertinent question that would throw into doubt all that had previously been discussed and decided.

Having been chairman of the Faculty of Medicine at Leeds from 1969 to 1972, he became Dean in 1986, although he insisted on retaining his chair, such was his consuming interest in obstetrics and gynaecology. During his term of office as Dean, as well as greatly improving co-operation between the city's somewhat disjointed LGI and St James's medical schools, Scott introduced the annual Graduation Dinner.

Opera was one of Scott's passions and he supported Glyndebourne, Opera North and the Wexford Festival (opera, Ireland and seafood were an irresistible combination, until he once succumbed to oyster poisoning minutes before an important lecture).

Despite a life-long loathing of golf, Scott d evoted much of his retirement to co-writing a biography of Dr Alister MacKenzie, a roguish medical graduate of the University of Leeds with antecedents in the North-West Highlands and an attraction to women with adrenogenital syndrome; he was, however, best known for designing the Augusta course on which the American Open is played.

James Steel Scott, who died on September 17, is survived by his wife and their two
 

T_MacWood

Re:MacKenzie Trivia.......
« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2006, 01:03:07 PM »
No wonder his family disowned him....bad form.
« Last Edit: October 19, 2006, 01:05:19 PM by Tom MacWood »

John Kavanaugh

Re:MacKenzie Trivia.......
« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2006, 01:09:15 PM »
No wonder his family disowned him....bad form.

Tom,

Who had bad form and why...

T_MacWood

Re:MacKenzie Trivia.......
« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2006, 01:17:37 PM »
John
Double entendre. I should have said his entire family disowned him except for his sister, Richard....she stayed in contact.  

Bob_Huntley

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Re:MacKenzie Trivia.......
« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2006, 01:24:32 PM »
Redanman,

So, that's what it is all about.

Thanks.

Bob

Brad Tufts

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Re:MacKenzie Trivia.......
« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2006, 01:33:03 PM »
Classic that in this obit...about someone else...it is mentioned that someone connected to the deceased by a biography has an attraction to women of this nature....and gives equal importance to this quality, his roguishness, and his golf course design career.....where else have you seen a reference to sexual preference in an obit.?....or of someone else's sexual preference in an unrelated person's obit.?
« Last Edit: October 19, 2006, 01:34:01 PM by Brad Tufts »
So I jump ship in Hong Kong....

Mike_Cirba

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« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2006, 01:42:59 PM »
Virilization means that the clitoris of girls is enlarged, and may resemble the male penis to the point that the sex of the child is questioned or mistaken.

Thus began the fascination with camouflage.

Bob_Huntley

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Re:MacKenzie Trivia.......
« Reply #10 on: October 19, 2006, 01:50:33 PM »
Classic that in this obit...about someone else...it is mentioned that someone connected to the deceased by a biography has an attraction to women of this nature....and gives equal importance to this quality, his roguishness, and his golf course design career.....where else have you seen a reference to sexual preference in an obit.?....or of someone else's sexual preference in an unrelated person's obit.?


Brad,

You wrote, "where else have you seen a reference to sexual preference in an obit.?"....Many, many times. In British papers it is generally reported as "He is survived by his companion of many years, John Arbuthnot Chauncey-Miles, or some such name."

You are right however in commenting on the obliqueness of the reference here.

Bob


Mark_Rowlinson

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Re:MacKenzie Trivia.......
« Reply #11 on: October 19, 2006, 02:46:10 PM »
I, too, thought mention of this was a bit OTT in an obituary of someone else, and sent a letter to the editor this morning.  Don't worry, mine never get printed.

Where did they get this specific information?  Has anyone seen evidence of it?  I don't remember seeing it mentioned in the Doak/Scott/Haddock tome.  Is there another book on Mac that I have missed?

Mark_Rowlinson

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Re:MacKenzie Trivia.......
« Reply #12 on: October 19, 2006, 02:47:41 PM »
Why didn't I think of this before?

There was a GCA thread on why MacKenzie came to live in America.  Is that rumour about Californian girls true?  

Bill_McBride

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Re:MacKenzie Trivia.......
« Reply #13 on: October 19, 2006, 02:49:36 PM »
Since Mark used the acronym OTT ("over the top"), I'll add that this entire story is TMI ("too much information").  :o

Bob_Huntley

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Re:MacKenzie Trivia.......
« Reply #14 on: October 19, 2006, 03:14:59 PM »
Mark,

When I read the bit about "Augusta and the AMERICAN Open" I thought the writer was a bit sloppy and felt like writing to the Editor. As I hadn't a clue about the word describing his prediliction, I left well alone.

Bob

Andy Levett

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Re:MacKenzie Trivia.......
« Reply #15 on: October 19, 2006, 05:37:09 PM »
This is probably the ultimate divide between A-list and B-list - A-list the Telegraph will write the obit, B-list they will send a form and in effect you write your own obituary, which they then keep on file until needed.
This looks like the work of Dr Scott - the combination of medical bombshell - 'an attraction to women with adrenogenital syndrome' - and golf howler - 'the Augusta course on which the American Open is played'.
There's a pic of Hilda Haddock in the Doak/Scott bio - looking at that face you can see what he's getting at.
But was it just a posthumous joke Dr Scott knew his friends would enjoy or a genuinely-held belief on his part about MacKenzie?


ForkaB

Re:MacKenzie Trivia.......
« Reply #16 on: October 19, 2006, 05:39:26 PM »
Andy

Well spotted or great imagination.  In either case, kudos!

Rick Shefchik

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Re:MacKenzie Trivia.......
« Reply #17 on: October 19, 2006, 05:47:03 PM »
My friend and colleague Mike Fermoyle (a fine golfer, by the way) wrote his 88-year-old mother's obit recently, in which he said she had remained a loyal fan of the Minnesota Vikings, "despite their numerous DUIs and other indescretions."

If given editorial control, you can put almost anything into an obit.
"Golf is 20 percent mechanics and technique. The other 80 percent is philosophy, humor, tragedy, romance, melodrama, companionship, camaraderie, cussedness and conversation." - Grantland Rice

Tom_Doak

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Re:MacKenzie Trivia.......
« Reply #18 on: October 19, 2006, 08:39:41 PM »
I was sorry to hear about Dr. Scott's passing.  

I suspect that Andy Levett is exactly right, though, that the part about Dr. MacKenzie in the obit was written by Dr. Scott himself.  There were several paragraphs in his original manuscript about Dr. MacKenzie where Dr. Scott speculated about Marion Hollins and this syndrome, and also about someone else in the same vein.

Neither the publisher nor I thought that it really had any place in MacKenzie's biography, especially since it was very much speculation on Dr. Scott's part, so it did not find the light of day in the book.  Interesting that he chose his own obituary to bring it out.


Bob_Huntley

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Re:MacKenzie Trivia.......
« Reply #19 on: October 19, 2006, 08:56:04 PM »
Tom,

He must have thought it had some import or that he had a particular objection to Mackenzie in some way. I am now rather sorry that I started this thread, character assassination by third parties, recently departed or not, is no way to besmirch a mans life.

As I wrote to Bill Vostinek, I had  no idea what he was referring to, although the Latin in me gave me a hint.

Bob

T_MacWood

Pat
« Reply #20 on: October 19, 2006, 11:00:48 PM »
I hate to speak poorly of the recently diseased but since he wrote his own obit and chose to unveil this wacky theory within it I think he's fair game. I thought his Capability Brown-MacKenzie camparison was pretty weak and I suspect this theory is based on even less documentation. How do you speculate that a historic figure was a hermaphrodite and that another historic figure was attracted to them? I prefer MacKenzie the drunk.
« Last Edit: October 19, 2006, 11:32:24 PM by Tom MacWood »

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