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Adam Clayman

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Ballyneal; Grand in the Rain
« on: September 11, 2006, 12:59:31 PM »
Since this project has been closely scrutinized, anxiously awaited, whatever you want to call it, here on GCA, I thought I would share some impressions.

 Ballyneal had their official grand opening this last weekend. The most tasetful event was smiled upon by mother nature with at least an inch of rain, spread out over about thirty six hours (mild rain), with the majority coming overnight. Opening day rounds were barely interupted with some lite drizzels, but no heavy rain.

The surrounds, and sky, came alive with deeper darker tones, spreadout between the seas of yellow sunflowers. (who needs an ocean?) Dick Durance, was our opening day documentarian. I, for one, will be looking most forward to soon seeing some of his magical images, from this inspiring day.

The surprising firmness from the rain, of the sandy surrounds, added to the roll, as well as the chances for recovery, for anyone brave enough to try for a full recovery.

The turf played anyway the player wanted it to. Every trajectory known to man, was viable. I was shocked at how well the ball would bounce, if that was the desire.

One of my guests couldn't divorce his lob wedge and was repeatedly thwarted. Another, adapted nicely and almost carded three threes in a row, on the back nine. I was honored to share the quota prize with none other than the architect.

 Hopefully, anyone who might be attending Ballyneal in the near future, would heed this hint, and practice your lower trajectories. Especially green side.

On this day of significant rememberances, I will never forget when RJ Daley first posted on the merits of the Sand Hills region.

 I, for one, owe him the largest of THANK YOUs.


"It's unbelievable how much you don't know about the game you've been playing your whole life." - Mickey Mantle

Ron Farris

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Re:Ballyneal; Grand in the Rain
« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2006, 01:19:13 PM »
Adam, thanks for sharing the joys of Ballyneal with us.
I look forward to the day I get to play this wonderful course.

Ron

John Kirk

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Re:Ballyneal; Grand in the Rain
« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2006, 01:32:08 PM »
I wonder if Adam was all teary eyed while writing this post.  Gosh we had fun this weekend.

Ballyneal was really pretty this time.  Flowers and turtles and little lizards that really run fast.

I'll share more later.  Big weekend for me, Adam and our friends.

Jim Nugent

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« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2006, 02:14:43 PM »
Any pictures?

RJ_Daley

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Re:Ballyneal; Grand in the Rain
« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2006, 02:26:33 PM »
I also will wait with great anticipation for Mr. Durance's photos of such a day.  

Sunday the 24th, is about all I'm thinking about these days...  ;) ;D 8)
No actual golf rounds were ruined or delayed, nor golf rules broken, in the taking of any photographs that may be displayed by the above forum user.

Adam Clayman

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Re:Ballyneal; Grand in the Rain
« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2006, 04:45:00 PM »
The only negative of the entire weekend was that one of our own, someone who joined Ballyneal before on ounce of dirt was moved, Larry Kelto, was not there to share in the festivities.

While he was absent in person, his name was on our minds and lips.

Larry joined Ballyneal 25 months ago when only stakes were in the ground, to mark the turn points. Now, that was insightful.

Jim Nugent, Sorry I didn't take any and there aren't any posted on Ballyneal's website, yet.
"It's unbelievable how much you don't know about the game you've been playing your whole life." - Mickey Mantle

Larry_Keltto

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Re:Ballyneal; Grand in the Rain
« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2006, 04:58:08 PM »
Adam, thanks for the kind words! I'm glad it was a fun event; I certainly was thinking about the grand opening throughout the weekend.

I'm looking forward to being in Holyoke in a couple weeks.

Daryl David

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Re:Ballyneal; Grand in the Rain
« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2006, 05:51:14 PM »
Larry,
I know the feeling.  I was thinking of the opening all weekend and really wanting to be there but had previous travel plans.  Lucky for me they involved playing the "chop" hills of Ireland.  I kept seeing holes that reminded me of Ballyneal, especially at the Island Club.  All you would need to do is get the yucca to grow there and those dunes would be dead ringers!

Sean_Tully

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Re:Ballyneal; Grand in the Rain
« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2006, 06:02:18 PM »
Ballyneal!

After having seen some early pictures of the property in the membership booklet and some photos that Jim Oneal had I was eager to see the course. When I first pulled my car up that hill at 6:30 in the morning and could see the rising sun exposing the chophills I was in awe.

I walked the back nine and was very impressed with the movement of the fairways and the greens especially. I had yet to see greens that had so much internal movement. I loved every facet of the course and its setting.  I met up with John Kirk for the first time after so many emails, Tom Doak, and Adam Clayman. I played the course twice and with the different hole locations each day I could see the endless possibilities the course has.

As Adam mentions the ball really moves out there and I enjoyed seeing where it would end up. I play the ground game whenever possible and found the possibilities  presented at Ballyneal to challenge a player to pull off some fun shots. The more one gets to know the course the more one can take advantage of the movement of the surrounds and the greens to get your ball in the right position.

I am still on my vacation, but I do plan on posting some pictures when I get back home later this week.

I had a wonderful time, met some very interesting people and played one of the more amazing golf courses that I have ever seen. Ballyneal is is one of those exceptions to the rule and is something that needs to be experienced by anyone that appreciates architecture and firm and fast conditions.

Tully

Jay Flemma

Re:Ballyneal; Grand in the Rain
« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2006, 06:27:52 PM »
Ballyneal...grand in the rain, heat, cold, WIND!, you name it!

Mike_Sweeney

Re:Ballyneal; Grand in the Rain
« Reply #10 on: September 12, 2006, 07:44:23 AM »
So how many GCA members are members at Ballyneal?

Perhaps we should have The Morrissett Cup between Ballyneal and Mountain Lake (5 GCA members) at a mutually agreeable Fazio course!

Tiger_Bernhardt

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Re:Ballyneal; Grand in the Rain
« Reply #11 on: September 12, 2006, 08:24:05 AM »
Mike nice shot with the Fazio course, to awake Tommy from a nice west coast dreamland.
« Last Edit: September 12, 2006, 08:24:43 AM by Tiger_Bernhardt »

Evan Fleisher

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Re:Ballyneal; Grand in the Rain
« Reply #12 on: September 12, 2006, 09:34:08 AM »
Adam,

Sounds like a wonderful time was had by all...even Mother Nature!  :D

Looking forward to my first loop around as well.
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Dave_Wilber

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Re:Ballyneal; Grand in the Rain
« Reply #13 on: September 13, 2006, 01:30:45 AM »
You know..I've been to a few openings and this one was really special.

Just a couple of things:

1. My ankle needs to be cut off because if it is going to give me this much trouble in rehabing my nearly not there golf game, I am going to need IV Laphroig or just a simple amputation. I tried, I really did and I just couldn't take that much vicodin and make any sense at all to talk to people. All told I played about 20 holes, all of it in pain and I still had a blast running the ball on the ground.

2. I really enjoyed watching Sean Tully and his Hickory Sticks play a few holes. Now I want some!

3. Was cool to meet up with Sean Tully and Josh Smith his brother for a few holes and see how much fun they were having hitting shots and taking pics and talking about golf.

4. Enjoyed meeting Mr. and Mrs. Kirk and seeing the looks on their faces at dinner as Doak told good stories.

5. Adam Clayman was beaming. No one can smile that big ffor as long as he did without plastic surgery or botox or something.

6. When Dick Durance was taking pics of all the illuminatti it made me wonder what people looking at them 50 or more years from now will think of the clothes and the buildings and all of that.

7. Brothers O'neal were a treat to watch. Made me cry actually.

8. I was fortunate to hang with Dave Hensley's staff..his two assistants and his mechanic and their wives at Saturday's  dinner and just get to see the looks on their faces as they took it all in.

9.The golf course played very well..and let's remember the last seed went in the ground just over a year ago. The course is on an amazing path and some patience is going to pay off.

10. My hat came off about 100 times for the effort that Head Greenkeeper Dave Hensley and his staff put in. The dedication and pride they are showing is amazing. Much to do, but I have no doubt they will do it in a unique and creative way.

History was made..in a good and fun way. I just wanted to stay!
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ed_getka

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Re:Ballyneal; Grand in the Rain
« Reply #14 on: September 13, 2006, 02:17:22 AM »
Congratulations to the O'Neals and the Renaissance team. It sure sounds like a special place is coming together out there in Holyoke. It is fun to read the enthusiasm in the posts here and to hear it in the voices of those I have talked to about Ballyneal.
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Scott Szabo

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Re:Ballyneal; Grand in the Rain
« Reply #15 on: September 13, 2006, 08:28:13 AM »
Congratulations to all who are involved in Ballyneal.  It's great to hear all the enthusiasm that all the members and their guests are having and are willing to share with the rest of us.
Keep the reports coming!!!
 
"So your man hit it into a fairway bunker, hit the wrong side of the green, and couldn't hit a hybrid off a sidehill lie to take advantage of his length? We apologize for testing him so thoroughly." - Tom Doak, 6/29/10

John Kirk

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Re:Ballyneal; Grand in the Rain
« Reply #16 on: September 13, 2006, 12:02:30 PM »
Back to threadkiller mode for a day...

I have some reservations about this thread.  It is a bit self-congratulatory in nature, and only tangentially related to golf architecture.

We had a fantastic time.  Everybody involved is excited about our new club.  It's our new baby; what will the future bring?  However, at some point, sharing our excitement with this group displays a certain lack of humility.  Not only that, our goal is to be a very private place to play golf.  Some members will value their anonymity a great deal.

All the pieces are in place: golf, lodging, cuisine.  Now we want to attract like-minded individuals who appreciate this style of golf and the small town hospitality I am growing to love.  At the end of the day, what will make Ballyneal a great club is the members.  Friends and comradery come first, no matter how great the golf course is.

I also hereby excuse myself from comparing Ballyneal, Sand Hills, and Dismal River.  It's too late for me to make unbiased remarks.  Furthermore, I haven't played Dismal yet, and Sand Hills is incredible.  I will say that Ballyneal has no bad holes, and possesses a large number (seven or eight) of interesting par 4.5 holes.  I'm happy to discuss the courses; it's just not reasonable for me to say which one I like best.

For your amusement, a member that I invited to the club, Ryan Beaty, is a very long hitter.  On Saturday, Ryan played the 494 yard (from the blue tees, actually 515 yards from the back tees) par-5 8th hole with driver, lob wedge, after a 405 yard (!) drive, just slightly downwind.  He carried the big Sahara bunker about 325 yards out, and got a big kick off the downslope.

I don't want to spoil the party here, Adam.  I hope there are no hard feelings.  It's fun for all of us to touch base and reminisce a bit.  On the other hand, it was our party and I don't want to gloat about it too much.

George Pazin

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Re:Ballyneal; Grand in the Rain
« Reply #17 on: September 13, 2006, 04:50:35 PM »
John, I understand your sentiment, but I disagree with your stance. I love when people share their passion for their course, whether it's Tom D's latest, a hidden gem classic, a poorly maintained old course with no pedigree, or even the other John K sharing his love of his Fazio course!

If other's can't handle it, that's their problem, you shouldn't penalize the rest of us for it.

You probably are wise to avoid the DR, SH and Ballyneal comparisons, however.

 :)
Big drivers and hot balls are the product of golf course design that rewards the hit one far then hit one high strategy.  Shinny showed everyone how to take care of this whole technology dilemma. - Pat Brockwell, 6/24/04

Adam Clayman

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Re:Ballyneal; Grand in the Rain
« Reply #18 on: September 13, 2006, 05:44:07 PM »
No offense taken

I thought I hid my self congratulating tone behind a reporters style.

Since I, and all of us, have known about this project for about 4 or 5 years, and learned about it because of this website, I felt the desire to share with everyone some of the progress. Certainly a milestone like a grand opening doesn't happen but once. Plus, It is a little weird for me, because it really hasn't sunk in yet, that I am a member. It's all so new to me.

I promise not to brag about watching Bill and Ben Play in the Ren Cuo today.

 ;)

"It's unbelievable how much you don't know about the game you've been playing your whole life." - Mickey Mantle

John Kirk

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Re:Ballyneal; Grand in the Rain
« Reply #19 on: September 13, 2006, 08:13:38 PM »

I promise not to brag about watching Bill and Ben Play in the Ren Cuo today.

 ;)



That's fine.  Now that I'm a member at Ballyneal, I'll just call Bill or Ben and ask them how it went.

Taunting!  15 yards and loss of hole.

Tim Bert

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Re:Ballyneal; Grand in the Rain
« Reply #20 on: September 13, 2006, 10:41:37 PM »
The taunting is probably the hardest on those of us that had the pleasure to play the course early on yet aren't members at the course!  We know what we're missing.

Seriously, I enjoy hearing that other people walk off the course with the same smile I had plastered on my face for a week or so following the trip.

Congratulations to all involved on the grand opening and what sounds like it was a great time!

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