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Matt_Cohn

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US Women's Open Sites
« on: July 14, 2006, 11:04:20 PM »
Future US Women's Open sites include Oakmont and, reportedly, Pebble Beach.

Which of these statements best describes your feelings about the Women's Open going to sites that are currently in the rotation for U.S. Opens and PGA Championships?

A) Good. The women should be playing on the very best courses, just like the men. If the men get Oakmont and Pebble Beach, then the women should, too. The women shouldn't have to settle for "what's left" after you take out all the courses the men play.

B) What's the point? We've all seen Oakmont and Pebble Beach, and they've certainly hosted enough tournaments. It's a waste of a chance to go to a venue like Prairie Dunes, Interlachen, or Newport - one that can't host a U.S. Open but that everyone should see.

I'll add my opinion later but I want to see what others think first.
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rjsimper

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Re:US Women's Open Sites
« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2006, 11:08:08 PM »
Personally, I like seeing classic courses in the mid 6000s played with players hitting Drivers 260 yards and 5 irons 175.

Edit- I guess that doesn't really speak to your exact question about overlap...sorry.

« Last Edit: July 14, 2006, 11:09:11 PM by Ryan Simper »
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RJ_Daley

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Re:US Women's Open Sites
« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2006, 12:36:05 AM »
B  I  think they ought to highlight courses that are more of the length we mortals can relate to, which there are oddles of from the classic era that are still relavant to their play.  That promotes golf as big world or something for everyone kind of mentality.  If you also put them on the Men's rota, no matter if they play up tees, the general public becomes too confined in their opportunity to see great golf courses that they actually can play themselves.  Then they get the wrong attitude that courses should be like TPC or major set ups with rediculous toon-a-mint set up and length-rough-narrowness as normal and desirable conditions.

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Glenn Spencer

Re:US Women's Open Sites
« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2006, 12:52:19 AM »
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Jim Nugent

Re:US Women's Open Sites
« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2006, 05:50:18 AM »
Would St. Louis CC be a good course for the Women's Open?
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Tom_Doak

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Re:US Women's Open Sites
« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2006, 08:28:06 AM »
Jim:  St. Louis C.C. is an excellent course, but St. Louis in July does not sound like a good idea to me.  The Women's Open had a series of brutally hot venues a few years back and I doubt they are going to repeat that mistake.

Matt:  I think both types of sites are good.  I think getting to play someplace like Oakmont will be an eye-opener to a lot of the top players about what kind of short game skills a course can require.  But, you are right, it would be a shame for the USGA to ignore sites that are great courses but pretty short for the Open or U.S. Amateur.
« Last Edit: July 15, 2006, 08:30:27 AM by Tom_Doak »
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wsmorrison

Re:US Women's Open Sites
« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2006, 08:34:36 AM »
I'd love to see the women play on the A and B nines at Huntingdon Valley CC.  Viewers would be in for a treat of a course few have seen but one that merits consideration.

Merion East at 6400 yards would be an enjoyable challenge for the ladies as well.  As would Philadelphia Country Club (they held the women's amateur in 2003), Lehigh, Lancaster, Manufacturers, and Rolling Green (1976 Women's Open course that beat up everybody with +8 making championship playoff).  Heck, they could hold it on Flynn courses around Philadelphia every ten years or so and do quite well.
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Tom_Doak

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Re:US Women's Open Sites
« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2006, 08:40:03 AM »
Wayne:  A few years ago Betsy King went out to Stonewall to see if it was a possible site for that tournament in her name on the LPGA Tour.  She decided it was much too hard, but said that it would be a great Women's Open site, as would most of the other courses you named.

You could pretty much take any course in the top 100 in America and have a good Women's Open venue.
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Jim Nugent

Re:US Women's Open Sites
« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2006, 08:50:11 AM »
Tom -- this year's women's open was held at the end of June and early July.  I looked up average St. Louis temperatures for then.  Daily highs appear to average in the upper 80's, a little under 90.  Average daily temperature is in the upper 70's, a shade under 80.   Is that too hot?  
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wsmorrison

Re:US Women's Open Sites
« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2006, 08:50:11 AM »
Agreed, Tom.  Stonewall, despite its rather remote location would be a wonderful venue for a national championship and an ideal test for a Women's Open.  It has a combination of excellent architecture and beautiful surroundings.  Its hard to beat the rolling Pennsylvania countryside for lovely vistas.  I'm still reviewing the entire course in my mind since playing there yesterday and can't wait to get back.

Jim,

The humidity in St. Louis is brutal for nearly the entire summer.  It is a tough climate in the high 80s with humidity in the high 80s to high 90s.
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Jim Sweeney

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Re:US Women's Open Sites
« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2006, 10:20:06 AM »
I'll bet that the women players are thrilled to get the chance to play their Open on some of the same venerable courses that are used for the US Open.

ALso, the evidence seens to suggest that the USGA has used other interesting sites like Prarie Dunes, Newport, and Interlachen.

I suspect that the Oakmonts of the world will be set up at appropropriate distances for the women, giving those who want it some insite into how those courses play at those yardages, which will make it more interesting than the US Open for them.

All in all, seems like the USGA is covering all the right bases with this strategy.
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Jim Nugent

Re:US Women's Open Sites
« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2006, 12:06:37 PM »
Wayne, I lived there my whole life till I was 19.  My memory is that late mid-July to mid-August gets real hot, but June can be beautiful.  An average temp of just under 80 would not be bad at all, IMO.    
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T_MacWood

Re:US Women's Open Sites
« Reply #12 on: July 15, 2006, 12:13:52 PM »
Along the same lines as Wayne I would think that some of the obsolete courses would be perfect for the women's open and amateur like Myopia, Garden City, Columbia, Engineers, Mayfield, Ekwanok and St. Louis.
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Jeff Shelman

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Re:US Women's Open Sites
« Reply #13 on: July 15, 2006, 12:28:37 PM »
Isn't this sort of what they've done of late, gone to classics that are too short/don't have enough space for the regular open?

There was Cherry Hills last year, Newport this year, Pine Needles next year, Interlachen is in a couple of years.
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Tom_Doak

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Re:US Women's Open Sites
« Reply #14 on: July 15, 2006, 02:46:15 PM »
Tom M:  Garden City Golf Club?  That would be a great site, but I don't think it's likely to happen.   ::)
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Anthony Butler

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Re:US Women's Open Sites
« Reply #15 on: July 15, 2006, 02:50:05 PM »


Quaker Ridge or WFE sounds like the kind of place/s where Michelle Wie could win her first US Open. Long and straight gets it done there.
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Tommy_Naccarato

Re:US Women's Open Sites
« Reply #16 on: July 15, 2006, 02:51:06 PM »
If Ojai could ever get their act together....Forget it! Scratch Ojai.
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Doug Ralston

Re:US Women's Open Sites
« Reply #17 on: July 15, 2006, 04:56:28 PM »
B} Longaberger!  ;)

Seriously, this leads me to a question. I have been here only a very short time; but everyone here seems to rave about Sand Hills. Has a Pro Tourney been played there? If not, why not? If so, why did I never hear about it from those TV prognosticators who talk courses worthy of PGA/LPGA/Seniors?

Doug
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PThomas

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Re:US Women's Open Sites
« Reply #18 on: July 15, 2006, 05:04:24 PM »
I vote for a combo of A and B
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Jordan Wall

Re:US Women's Open Sites
« Reply #19 on: July 15, 2006, 05:08:00 PM »
Rustic Canyon?
Wild Horse?
Gold Mountain?

Those would all work..
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Doug Ralston

Re:US Women's Open Sites
« Reply #20 on: July 15, 2006, 05:12:53 PM »
Alas;

No Pro Tournaments at my beloved Eagle Ridge. Carts are not allowed by PGA and the players and caddies would all die.

Doug
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tonyt

Re:US Women's Open Sites
« Reply #21 on: July 15, 2006, 05:28:03 PM »
I've seen three US Opens at Pebble. I'm yet to see the women play there, so I absolutely can't wait.

It will be good this year at Lytham, and they are playing TOC soon, which I am very excited about.

Overall card length isn't a good comparison, because it doesn't always compare with how the 7000 yard+ courses play either from their womens tees or the alternative/middle tees they use for some LPGA-type play.

This year's Womens Open was great for being able to see the course. Fantastic stuff. B is a great concept for the reasons of showing us a lot of the classics I wouldn't see. But there must be overlap. All A would just be a repeat, but all B would rule out too many great A courses. If the girls were to play Shinnecock one day, I'd be glued to it.
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Wayne Freeman

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Re:US Women's Open Sites
« Reply #22 on: July 15, 2006, 05:39:06 PM »
I like generally what is being said here.  I would vote for the classic -no longer suitable for a men's U.S. Open tournament-
        St. Louis, Canterbury, Interlachen, Cherry Hills, Philly CC, Worcester--- , but I agree with Tom D. that pretty much any of the courses in the top 100 list would probably work-  
   some that come to mind for me are Camargo,  Lancaster, Quaker Ridge, or Piping Rock.  
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Doug Ralston

Re:US Women's Open Sites
« Reply #23 on: July 15, 2006, 05:46:52 PM »
Get these Women on the fantastic 'Honors Course' in Ootlewah, TN; and get those crusty rednecks off their keisters and their exclusionary attitudes. Incredible that no PGA/LPGA events have been there.

Doug
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Jin Kim

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Re:US Women's Open Sites
« Reply #24 on: July 15, 2006, 09:47:28 PM »
The Honors was built as a tribute to amatuer golf.  And there is not a lot of space for galleries, tents etc.
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