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Tony_Muldoon

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Re:Best Holes with No Bunkers, Water or Boundaries
« Reply #25 on: July 14, 2006, 10:59:55 AM »
A few at the Addington had fairway bunkers but not around the green, 2 & 9 come to mind.

The Par 3 4th at County Sligo
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Tim Leahy

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Re:Best Holes with No Bunkers, Water or Boundaries
« Reply #26 on: July 14, 2006, 01:18:47 PM »
A new course just opened in No. Cal. near Tracy called Mountain House that was built in a very windy area and has no sand bunkers at all. I am supposed to play it this weekend and will give a report. There are pictures available on the greenskeeper.org website. I believe they just used canyons and barrancas for boundaries.
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Phil McDade

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Re:Best Holes with No Bunkers, Water or Boundaries
« Reply #27 on: July 14, 2006, 02:23:12 PM »
Two of my favorites are at Boat of Garten. No. 11 -- gently doglegging par 4, 379 yards, with a sharply sloping downhill tee shot. The dogleg starts right where most folks (presumably) want to land their tee shot, and simply "going over the top" of the dogleg is nearly impossible, given that you're standing in a forest of birch trees. From the tee, it looks like the thinnest sliver of fairway to hit, and you absolutely have to move the ball to stay in it. A very intimidating tee shot. The green, less than 30 yards deep, slopes off sharply on both sides, and there is a nifty little depression about 40 yards short of the green to catch underhit shots, which often occur, as the second shot requires one more club than you might think.

No. 15 -- a fun, fun straightaway par 4 of 307 yards. The decision about how to play has to be made on the tee. At about 170 yards from the tee, the fairway simply ends and falls into a deep (I mean deep -- 20-25 feet? The only comparison is standing at the bottom of Lawsonia's famed boxcar 7th) valley. The bottom of the valley, mowed as fairway, is 200 yards from the tee. To carry the valley is probably 230 yards, as the fairway opposite the valley slopes back into the crevice. The sensible play, probably, is short of the valley, but then you're left with a shot of 130-150 yards to a pretty small green (24 yards deep). You can bomb away, but risk getting stuck in the rough that leads in and out of the valley on the slopes (and it's a pretty narrow fairway, bringing the thousands of birch trees into play). You can play deliberately into the valley, and leave a simple shot of 100 yards of so, but you can't see a thing about where you're going, or where you shot goes (which I've always found makes a shot that much more difficult.) Some may criticize it as a 7 iron-7 iron hole (and it's a pretty logical way to play it), but it's a fun, sporty hole that offers several choices, and requires some thoughtful play. All without a bunker, water or OB.

Mike Benham

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Re:Best Holes with No Bunkers, Water or Boundaries
« Reply #28 on: July 14, 2006, 02:52:36 PM »
A new course just opened in No. Cal. near Tracy called Mountain House that was built in a very windy area and has no sand bunkers at all. I am supposed to play it this weekend and will give a report. There are pictures available on the greenskeeper.org website. I believe they just used canyons and barrancas for boundaries.

Is that the one that sits right along I5?  (not Tracy G&CC)

I believe that Neal Meagher had some involvment with that course ...
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JohnV

Re:Best Holes with No Bunkers, Water or Boundaries
« Reply #29 on: July 14, 2006, 03:01:58 PM »
The 18th at Hannastown is a good par 4 that meets the requirements.  The tee shot is blind to a quite wide fairway that slopes hard from right to left.  There are trees on both sides, but they are very playable.  You are usually left with a downhill lie to a green that is sloped very severely from back to front and is very wide with little to define it.

There is a grassy bunker about 60 yards short of the green that might have been sand at one time.

From the fairway, a really good drive can get in the little swale on the left.


From the left of the green (note the attached putting green)


Tim Leahy

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Re:Best Holes with No Bunkers, Water or Boundaries
« Reply #30 on: July 14, 2006, 03:07:26 PM »
A new course just opened in No. Cal. near Tracy called Mountain House that was built in a very windy area and has no sand bunkers at all. I am supposed to play it this weekend and will give a report. There are pictures available on the greenskeeper.org website. I believe they just used canyons and barrancas for boundaries.
Is that the one that sits right along I5?  (not Tracy G&CC)
I believe that Neal Meagher had some involvment with that course ...

It's in Altamont off the 580 by all the windmills, I don't think it is clearly visible from the 580.
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wsmorrison

Re:Best Holes with No Bunkers, Water or Boundaries
« Reply #31 on: July 14, 2006, 03:16:30 PM »
Here are two from Merion West (circa 1913)

The 12th



The 16th


mike_malone

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Re:Best Holes with No Bunkers, Water or Boundaries
« Reply #32 on: July 14, 2006, 03:35:58 PM »
 Wayne,

   That #16 at Merion West is one of the most enjoyable holes I have ever played. I look forward to it every time I go there. I think if there were bunkers around the green the shot would lose much of its interest.
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Dave Collard

Re:Best Holes with No Bunkers, Water or Boundaries
« Reply #33 on: July 14, 2006, 03:38:33 PM »
These old threads are the best, I am going to dig up another one here soon. Springfield, Ohio has a bunkerless COURSE, it is called Reid South, could be Reid North, but I think it is the South. Reid Park though. They say it is pretty good. Pretty close to Ross at Springfield CC and Snyder Park which I thought had someone of note as designer, but I have no idea if that is true or not.

It must be the south.  I have only played the north (in the
Publinks qualifier held there every year).  

Tom Huckaby

Re:Best Holes with No Bunkers, Water or Boundaries
« Reply #34 on: July 14, 2006, 03:41:33 PM »
Tim - please do report.  A very unreliable source (some joe I was paired with in match play a few weeks ago) told me that Mountain House was the hardest course he had every played, and called it "like The Ranch with wind"  Given how severe The Ranch is, I cringed...

The NCGA rater guys I talked to about it all cringed also... said it was indeed very severe...

TH


wsmorrison

Re:Best Holes with No Bunkers, Water or Boundaries
« Reply #35 on: July 14, 2006, 03:54:22 PM »
Mike,

Merion West has some phenomenal holes and green complexes.  Take a good look at the 12th hole, green surrounded by rough is exactly what was drawn for the 1st at Rolling Green.  Aerial photographs indicate it may not have been implemented but it is a great architectural feature that is rare and demands an aerial approach---that is what Flynn intended on the drawing iteration for RGGC #1 that I have though I admit it may not be the final iteration.  I think it is an interesting enough design to resurrect though I know it would never happen.  The 12th, along with 3,4,5,6,8,9,11,14,16,and 18 are a particularly wonderful set of greens that make the short West Course a lot of fun and challenge to play.

By the way, for people wondering why the lone tall evergreen was kept behind the 16th green, the top is all you can see from the fairway as the green is well below the level of the landing area.
« Last Edit: July 14, 2006, 03:57:15 PM by Wayne Morrison »

D_Malley

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Re:Best Holes with No Bunkers, Water or Boundaries
« Reply #36 on: July 14, 2006, 05:18:28 PM »
merion west is one of the most enjoyable places to play in the phila. area.  i played there alotas a yougster.  i have made eagle on six different holes on that course, including the two in your pictures. pocono manor east has a lot of similar qualities, although a much more wooded site.  both fine courses with very limited bunkers.

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