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Garland Bayley

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Subtle breaks (Dye vs Old dead guy)
« on: July 03, 2006, 07:59:14 PM »
MW said that she found the greens at Bulle Rock hard to read with their subtle breaks, whereas she found the greens at Newport much easier to read. She finished 6th in putting at Newport, so this could be fairly accurate. Also Stacy P put on a putting performance at Newport that still has me shaking my head.

Is this a characteristic of Pete Dye greens that distinguishes his work? Are there greens from, for example, Tillinghast that would be as difficult to read as those at Bulle Rock? Does years and years of maintenance and top dressing tend to remove the subtlty?
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Joe Hancock

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Re:Subtle breaks (Dye vs Old dead guy)
« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2006, 08:13:26 PM »
I always saw big contours as easier to read, but harder to putt. The pro's just do some amazing things from time to time.

Joe
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Dan Herrmann

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Re:Subtle breaks (Dye vs Old dead guy)
« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2006, 10:30:57 PM »
I can't speak for all of Dye's courses, but Bulle Rock definitely does have subtle countours that can drive you nuts on the green.  I'm not complaining - I thought it was amazing how a putt could break without seeing anything that'd clue you into the break ahead of time.

George Pazin

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Re:Subtle breaks (Dye vs Old dead guy)
« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2006, 11:21:35 PM »
Wouldn't Michelle's perspective on Newport be somewhat tainted by how wet and slow the course was?
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