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Forrest Richardson

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The Wigwam — Success with the greens!
« on: January 22, 2006, 01:25:49 PM »
I don't often post about our own work, but I am very proud of the outcome at The Wigwam (Litchfield Park, Arizona).

We took a gamble on keeping the Robert Trent Jones, Sr. greens — not re-building them as many had suggested needed to be done. Instead, we studied the agronomic conditions and worked to change management protocols — and the management itself! Members and others raised eyebrows at our conclusion...and our recommendation to save money and not get into a complete re-build of the greens.

Ron Proch, the new greenkeeper, has done a wonderful job of transforming these 43-year old greens which were once bentgrass.

Yesterday the greens were running 12.5 or faster, which made for some very interesting putting. Jones did not put too much into the original greens (tilts and a few levels here and there...that's all), so the loss of bentgrass in the 1980s was a big blow for the course. What interest could be seen in the putting surfaces became lost when the much slower Bermudagrass was installed.

Proch has taken our ideas — along with some expansion areas and a few new greens — and has gone well beyond the call-of-duty to get the surfaces in tremendous shape. The overseeded Bermudagrass is as excellent as anything in Phoenix. I have not at all been impressed with many of the super-dwarf Bermuda varieties. The good ol' 328-Tif-dwarf that has been at The Wigwam for nearly 30-years has proven itself worthy, especially with the new care and management practices.
« Last Edit: January 22, 2006, 01:29:21 PM by Forrest Richardson »
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Steve_ Shaffer

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Re:The Wigwam — Success with the greens!
« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2006, 01:35:05 PM »
Great news. I played Wigwam Gold in mid-November when the greens were much slower. I'm sure the prime season resort and locals are enjoying these greens. I think Gold is now a "must play" for any GCA member vacationing in PHX area.
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Bill_McBride

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Re:The Wigwam — Success with the greens!
« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2006, 01:37:56 PM »
Forrest, I will be playing Wigwam Gold on Saturday 2/25 with my brother, son and nephew.  I'm really looking forward to playing the Gold course as I remember being very underwhelmed maybe 15 years ago.

Maybe we can get that drink that's been postponed a couple of times!  We are teeing off at 1:30 to get that reduced rate.

How are things in Mexico (Puerto Pensasco??)?  We didn't book in December because the people there said the greens weren't ready.

Craig Sweet

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Re:The Wigwam — Success with the greens!
« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2006, 01:46:51 PM »
Why 12.5?
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Forrest Richardson

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Re:The Wigwam — Success with the greens!
« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2006, 01:47:35 PM »
Steve played right after the soft opening...too bad.

Bill — If you played there 15 years ago you "enjoyed" the prime of the great demise. We restored all of the Gold's bunkers, tees and removed about 600 trees. We added length, but not for mortal golfers. We managed 7,400-yards to allow for a few tournaments that the club would like to host.

You will find Nos. 17 and 18 much different, although both were worked in the spirit of RTJ, Sr. and his vision for The Wigwam in the 1960s.

As for Las Palomas in Mexico, it is nearly ready. I applaud the owners for not giving in to the temptation to open too early. Quite simply, the paspalum turf taks a long time to establish and it is just not ready. Sorry to ruin your tequila tasting!

(I will be happy to enjoy a beverage on the 25th)
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Forrest Richardson

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Re:The Wigwam — Success with the greens!
« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2006, 01:59:53 PM »
Craig — I am not sure the point of asking why...but I will attempt an answer that I think will answer you.

We obviously do not manage the course, but the intent was to return the greens to about what they were in their bentgrass days. The fastness I experineced yesterday is about right, in my opinion, to make the greens fun again. Of course, at 10 or 11 they would also be fun. This summer that will be their likely speed.

The greens were very fast back then (1965) as the course was Goodyear Co's response to Firestone. Mr. Jones wanted fast greens to test putting skills on what were purposefully very subtle greens. (A few greens were not subtle, however, and I have warned the course to avoid the Oakmont No. 2 situation!)

« Last Edit: January 22, 2006, 02:01:47 PM by Forrest Richardson »
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Tony Petersen

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Re:The Wigwam — Success with the greens!
« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2006, 04:07:06 PM »
 ;D Forrest... Great to hear that things are going great over at Wigwam! Still looking at getting in a round on the Gold and the Blue in the near future. I will be sure to touch base with you. Other than that, feel free to touch base with me if you ever have the urge to get in 18 at Chiricahua. Along with Outlaw and Geronimo, the 3 are the feather in the hat here at Desert Mountain ;)
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Forrest Richardson

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Re:The Wigwam — Success with the greens!
« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2006, 04:58:56 PM »
I have your note...and perhaps in the coming weeks we can manage this. And...also, get you to Arizona's Monster, The Gold!
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