News:

Welcome to the Golf Club Atlas Discussion Group!

Each user is approved by the Golf Club Atlas editorial staff. For any new inquiries, please contact us.


Jeff_Brauer

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re:Hype!!!
« Reply #25 on: February 03, 2006, 08:39:37 AM »
Unquestionably for me, Pinehurst #2!

It was the most disappointing experience of my golfing life. I don't see the challenge or strategic values in it that should place it among the 10 best. A very good course, but for me, not great, and definitely not worth the hotel stay.

Phillip,

I felt the same way the first time I played No. 2.  However, like the Old Course, it grows on you after a few playings because it isn't flashy.  A good example of why newer resort courses are built with visuals more in mind - if you built p-2 today, no one would come back for a second try......
Jeff Brauer, ASGCA Director of Outreach

Ed Tilley

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re:Hype!!!
« Reply #26 on: February 03, 2006, 09:30:40 AM »
Pebble Beach - thought it was a very good course but not as good as I was expecting. I played on my honeymoon and I'd just been on a 'stag' golf trip to the west of Ireland (Waterville, Tralee, Ballybunion (Cashen), and Dooks). The scenery at Pebble was fantastic but not in the same class as Waterville, Tralee, and particularly Dooks. This probably lessened the 'Wow' factor for me. I thought there were several average holes (1,2,3,11,13,15). Also 9 and 10 seemed to lack any definition, like playing in a field by the ocean. There were some great holes but it somehow wasn't as good as I'd hoped. Maybe if I played it again I'd see it differently. However, the honeymoon upgrade to a cottage on the 18th fairway ('the best room in the house') was a lifetime highlight!

Moving a fair bit down in class and over to the UK, I thought Aberdovey was seriously over-rated. Good but not a top 50 UK course. I also think Cruden Bay is overrated in the US - top 50 in the world! St. Enodoc (a similarly old fashioned links) is a better course and is rated much higher in UK lists.

A_Clay_Man

Re:Hype!!!
« Reply #27 on: February 03, 2006, 09:32:43 AM »
John, It's not really a game. More like respect for the panel I'm on, and the wishes set forth in how we are to conduct ourselves in public forums.

I did post a thread on the course. Accentuating a very positive aspect. However the fact that it was the only positive mentioned, went over most heads.

In this regard Ran's course profiles are wonderful examples of such an ethos.

Brad Tufts

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re:Hype!!!
« Reply #28 on: February 03, 2006, 03:11:36 PM »
I liked Turnberry, but it was my first round ever in Scotland, and I had watched all of Nick Price's win there.  To me, its just a fun place.

As for Pine Needles, I feel like its very pure, but I think the redo and modern technology has taken some of the teeth out.  Maybe in a few years when the changes grow in a bit the fear involving the green slopes/speeds will return.

As for Pinehurst #2, I was a bit underwhelmed, but part of it was the fact that it is very difficult, and I didn't have my mid-season form going, as it was mid-March.  I would love to play it with regular practice and a couple of months of play under my belt (maybe this scratch player could break 80 ;)).

I was underwhelmed by Enniscrone (inspired a spirited discussion b/t overseas member Mike Sweeney and I a couple yrs. ago) in Ireland, and Western Gailes in Scotland.  I would like to see WG again, as we played it in a monsoon.  They say that they have the most consecutive sea-bordering holes, but every one of them has a diagonal tee-shot over the tall fescue to the fairway, and it makes you feel like you are playing the same hole over and over.

Those in the US are Widow's Walk in MA, a Hurdzan course widely publicized for its environmentally friendly design.  It would have been better left as a rehabilitated nature preserve or something, as nature infringes on the edges of the golf holes.  Great River, much discussed, upscale course in CT, just not good for the hype and price tag.  The course at the Mount Washington Hotel in NH.  For a mountain location, the course has few elevation change.  The holes play amongst the river plain on the valley floor.  Little earth was moved (it was built around the turn of the century), but it amounts to a field with trees planted to define some of the holes.
So I jump ship in Hong Kong....

Garland Bayley

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re:Hype!!!
« Reply #29 on: February 03, 2006, 03:15:30 PM »
Sand Pines
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Sean_A

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re:Hype!!!
« Reply #30 on: February 03, 2006, 03:57:45 PM »
Moving a fair bit down in class and over to the UK, I thought Aberdovey was seriously over-rated. Good but not a top 50 UK course. I also think Cruden Bay is overrated in the US - top 50 in the world! St. Enodoc (a similarly old fashioned links) is a better course and is rated much higher in UK lists.

I agree with both of these assessments.  I think St. Enodoc is considerably better than Cruden Bay.  Aberdovey doesn't even register.  A good course, but ceratinly not worth a 2.5 hour car trip.  I should have mentioned this course as a big let down.

There was another major let down for me, Westward Ho!  I don't understand the hoopla.  Much of the course is a glorified field.  I don't like the holes through the broom at all.  To top it off, apart from the seaside holes, the course feels very boggy underfoot.  A second topping it off is that there is not a single great hole on the course.  

Ciao

Sean
New plays planned for 2024: Nothing

Paul Payne

Re:Hype!!!
« Reply #31 on: February 03, 2006, 04:36:11 PM »
Osprey Point on Kiawah.

It would have seemed a decent resort course, nothing special, except for that it cost $180 to play! That turned it into a truly dissapointing course.

I'd pay $60 tops to play a course like that. Well groomed, I just thought it was a snooze.

Mark Brown

Re:Hype!!!
« Reply #32 on: February 03, 2006, 05:05:30 PM »
I agree with Turnberry, some will call it blasphemy, but if you look at the course only -- East Lake. Also Maidstone (I loved Garden City, Atlantic,Old Tabby by a mile, Seminole before its rennovation, Medinah, Baltusrol-Lower, Southern Hills

Gerry B

Re:Hype!!!
« Reply #33 on: February 03, 2006, 11:44:03 PM »
Wentworth
Kingston Heath
Baltusrol
East Lake
LACC
Congressional
Champions
Red Tail

to name a few

all are good in thier own way but walked away either slightly disappointed or scratching my head

different strokes for different folks

Glenn Spencer

Re:Hype!!!
« Reply #34 on: February 03, 2006, 11:49:48 PM »
I think some of East Lake's greatness is being lost on me as well. Nothing that blew me away there.

wsmorrison

Re:Hype!!!
« Reply #35 on: February 04, 2006, 09:07:50 AM »
Baltusrol Lower--I wasn't thrilled with it before, it is much worse now.  I like the Upper course.

Royal St. Davids--There are some great holes but many more boring holes.  A lot of lost potential with the scale of the dunes present but not used as much as it should.

Congressional--I didn't see it all, but what I did see left me wondering what all the fuss is about.  I guess in a relatively poor area for golf Congressional is above the average.  They have the facilities for a major but not the architectural underpinning.

redanman

Re:Hype!!!
« Reply #36 on: February 04, 2006, 09:12:03 AM »
Osprey Point on Kiawah.

Well groomed, I just thought it was a snooze.

I second that vote also, had forgotten about it, but I remember some guy on here named Ran liking and defending it a couple of years ago.  Seemed really inconsistent with his taste otherwise, just had to comment. :)

Mark Brown - Maidstone and Seminole, thanks for the laugh, but we have seriously disagreed before - especially Black Diamond Ranch which I should have also mentioned and was not even on my original list of disappointments that I did not post.

Andy Troeger

Re:Hype!!!
« Reply #37 on: February 04, 2006, 09:17:27 AM »
I'll add the Irish Course at Whistling Straits. If it didn't have the names "Whistling Straits" and "Pete Dye" attached to it I wouldn't be able to understand why anyone would pay the current green fee there. How it is considered one of the top 50-100 public courses in the US is beyond me. Stick to the other three courses when in Kohler, in my opinion.

Tags:
Tags:

An Error Has Occurred!

Call to undefined function theme_linktree()
Back