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AndrewB

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Re:Cart paths
« Reply #25 on: December 18, 2005, 01:49:22 PM »
In all likely hood the road was there before the course. The cart path is NOT there before the course.

This is what it all boils down to for me.

Roads are okay because they were part of the environment in which the course was built; in a sense, they are natural given the state of the location when golf is first played there.

Cart paths can't even be compared to this: they are constructed after the fact to limit the damage done when people play cart-ball on golf courses.  They should just go away altogether, and further integrating them into the course will just make it harder to get rid of them.  If this became common, I really would leave the US.
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Jim_Kennedy

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Re:Cart paths
« Reply #26 on: December 18, 2005, 05:25:45 PM »
We played a course in Fl last winter that wound many of it's unpaved paths around the greens through what I'd guess you'd call waste areas. I imagine the base makes this more feasible in Fl than in other places.

I wonder why more use isn't made of products like Greenpave 2. It seems a near-perfect way to relieve compaction in areas of high traffic, like the fan-out area of a cart path or the exit area around greens.  
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Doug Siebert

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Re:Cart paths
« Reply #27 on: December 19, 2005, 12:45:58 AM »
Mike,

The only option for cart manufacturers is to put the cart on big balloon tires to reduce the compaction.  It is a viable option these days with companies selling accessories for the carts, lift kits, floatation tires.  But then you get a golfer acting like they are off roading and may drive everywhere.  I have never liked paved cart paths and prefer loose cart paths that require a little maintenance.  Gravel cart paths or what ever material is used looks more natural when turf is growing among the rocks.  Power rake the paths once in a while and you are good.  Once a year heavy maintenance may be needed.  Gravel cart paths blend into the scenary more easily and do not pop out like asphalt and concrete paths, that you must hide somehow.  If we are maintaining the golf course for a more natural look, than having loose gravel in the turf here and there should not effect mowing equipment.  Especially if the gravel path is also hidden as much as possible and out of play.

Of course, we would all like to see the end of golf carts but such is the world.

Troy


The off-roading temptations are easily solved by having computer controlled throttle, anti lock brakes, and sensors to determine the current incline and lateral G forces (yes I'm serious)  If people can't do jackrabbit starts, slamming on the brakes doesn't lock them, they can't go up hills beyond a certain grade and they can only make turns up to a certain fairly small G force, they'll be very boring vehicles to drive that in combination with the balloon tires, would damage the course much less.

All these systems exist today in cars, and are ubiquitous enough I think they are mostly a matter of market segmentation than costing too much be able to put in a $15K car.  Yes, these carts would cost more, but perhaps the extra expense is made up for by not having to build the cart paths.
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BCrosby

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Re:Cart paths
« Reply #28 on: December 19, 2005, 09:45:34 AM »
Doug -

Fascinating idea. Golf carts have evolved into little hot rods with the expected adverse impact on turf.

They need to be de-evolved as you suggest. Tone them down. It would be a win/win for everyone except teenage boy golfers.

Bob

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