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Andy Doyle

US Women's Am - Settindown Creek
« on: August 04, 2005, 11:04:24 AM »
Maybe because of the absence of a certain 15 year-old, but there has been an absence of discussion of this event or this course this week.

I've played this course once and worked as a walking scorer for the two stroke play rounds on Monday and Tuesday.  I've become a big fan of Bob Cupp's work, having also recently played the Plantation course at Reynold's Plantation and his renovation of Druid Hills GC.

Settindown Creek has apparently become one of the preferred tournament courses in Atlanta, having hosted the Nike Tour championship, a number of US Open Sectional qualifiers, and now the US Women's Amateur.

A search on this site came up almost empty  - what do people think of Settindown Creek and Bob Cupp's work?

Course tour of Settindown Creek with pretty good photos:

http://www.matregallery.com/sett1.htm

Andy

A.G._Crockett

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Re:US Women's Am - Settindown Creek
« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2005, 11:36:18 AM »
Andy,
I've played Settindown a number of times over the years since it opened, and especially during the last two springs when the club has been gracious enough to let several local high schools (including Roswell HS where I coach) play there on Mondays.  I think it is one of the very best around, probably somewhat underrated in the state, and I absolutely love the back nine.  The course features a double green shared by #1 and #10, and a nasty little par 3 (#7) that is something of a reverse redan hole.

There is water immediately adjacent to the greens on 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 8, which is a little bit too much on one side, but other than that, it is a great design. In fact, I've never heard anyone NOT like the course.  It is also a great walker's course.

To me, it is a tee shot course; by and large the greens are relatively small by current standards.  If you are crooked off the tee, you simply can't survive at Settindown.  The areas of native grasses that are shown well in the link you provided give the course a look unlike anything else in the area.  Believe me when I tell you that the course now is much more gentle than when it opened; it was an absolute bear at the first.

One of the interesting things about the course is that part is in Cherokee Co., and part is in Fulton Co.   A lot of people are down on #18 as a finishing hole, but what they don't realize is that in Cupp's original layout, the hole sequence was completely different. What is now #15 (I think, could be off one) was #1, and the clubhouse was to be in Cherokee Co.  Cherokee, however, wouldn't give a variance on their liquor laws of that time, and so the club had to locate the clubhouse in Fulton Co., which changed the hole sequence entirely.  It's too bad, because 13 and 14 in the current routing are two great, great par 4's, and made for a great finish.  The current #18 is a fun short par 4, but not an ideal finisher, IMHO.

Another interesting thing about Settindown is that it is closed on Tuesdays instead of Monday.  The guys that started the club were from Atlanta CC, which closes Monday, and they wanted to be able to play 7 days a week.  Ansley has left that schedule in place since they bought Settindown about 6 years ago.
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Tim Taylor

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Re:US Women's Am - Settindown Creek
« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2005, 12:34:55 PM »
Andy,

I loved Bob Cupp's comments in the Settindown course tour you posted!

TimT

John Keenan

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Re:US Women's Am - Settindown Creek
« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2005, 12:53:04 PM »
I watched the US Women's AM last night on TGC and I waa impressed by Settin Down Creek. I felt the Par 3's were quite good. Long and tough offering  good risk reward. Overall a great course that was sets up weill for this event. The course looked to be in great shape.

I must confess I have spent a lot of time in the Atlanta area and have played a fair amount of golf there both public and private but I hve never heard of this club or course.

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Andy Doyle

Re:US Women's Am - Settindown Creek
« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2005, 01:54:24 PM »
Tim:

Me too - he sounds like a fun guy.  I particularly like how he tells you not to be a wimp on your second shot on #10.  He is apparently very outspoken.  I have several friends who are members at Druid Hills who have told me that a number of members were upset at all the tree removal during the renovation.  He told them very directly - "To play golf you need grass.  To grow grass you need sun.  You can't grow grass under trees, so if you want to play golf on grass we're going to cut down trees."

AG:

I have a friend who belongs to a couple of other clubs, but maintains his membership at Ansley because it's open on Monday.  I had never heard the story about the clubhouse location - I'm not so sure about 13, but I think 14 or particularly 15 would be good finishing holes.

Great story from Tuesday's stroke play round on #15.  I was scoring one of the late afternoon groups that included Marlowe Boukis - she had been on the cut line bubble all day.  She came to #15 at +10, which had her in a playoff for match play.  She smoked her drive over the right bunkers well down the fairway.  With 170ish left she hit a 5 iron into the hole for an eagle, bringing her 2 shots inside the cut line.  She parred in to make the cut for match play, but unfortunately lost in her first match today.

I've only played it once, but got a good chance to look it over during the 2 days of stroke play (5+ hour rounds  :().  For an Atlanta course, I love how easy it is to walk.

I think it has a great balance of par 5's.  There are 2 reachable par 5's - 4 and 16, and two that are clearly 3 shot holes (1 & 10).  Two that are mostly straight, one that bends left and one that bends right.  I particularly like #16, with a downhill tee shot, with a second shot over the pond back up the hill.

It also has a great balance of par 3's.  Two moderate length (5 and 17), one short (7) and one long (12).  The shortest hole on the course (#7) is one of the most difficult, with a really nasty pot bunker.  Five has water as it's primary hazard, while 17 has a tough hourglass shaped greens defended by bunkers.  Twelve has no bunkers at all.

While many might not think #18 is an ideal finishing hole, it sure provided lots of drama this week.  This hole provides a lot of pressure if you need to make 3 or 4 at the end.  On the last day of stroke play they put the hole to the left of the ridge in the green close to the water.  Even though most players were hitting short irons, the threat of the pond on the left caused many to aim at the middle or right of the green.  Missing right left a very difficult chip right at the water.  A ball on the green, but in the middle or right left a very slick putt down the ridge - a 3 putt a definite possibility.

The 2 players I scored for on Tuesday came to #18 a shot or 2 inside the cut line, and there was a lot of pressure on this hole.  Both of them parred it, but I saw another player in a later group also needing par - hooked her drive into the trees, punched out into the fairway, pulled her wedge just slightly which ran over the left side of the green into the water, dropped, flubbed her chip, then 3 putted for an 8.  She then threw her ball into the pond - not a very classy finish.

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« Last Edit: August 04, 2005, 01:58:30 PM by Andy Doyle »

BCrosby

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Re:US Women's Am - Settindown Creek
« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2005, 02:05:25 PM »
A very good course that I've played many times.

A bit much greenside water (1, 2, 3, 4 , 5, 10, 11 and 18) for someone with more classical tastes. But good, varied holes.

The back nine is stronger than the front. Less water, more contour.

I am happy to hear the explanation given above for the 18th. It's not a good finishing hole, but at least there is a story...

I am always struck by how TV coverage flattens a course. It makes ANGC look like a different course. It does that and more to Settindown. I didn't recognize the 17th on TV for a few minutes. The green is perched into a steep ridge. Anything short or left falls off into a deep ravine. A scarry little hole. None of that comes across on TV.

Bob  

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