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Adam_F_Collins

Pittsburgh Golf
« on: June 29, 2005, 09:41:53 PM »
A great and dear friend of mine is moving to Pittsburgh in September. He's not a golfer, but I am and I'm quite certain that I'll soon visit him there. The chances are even better if there's some good golf to be played in the area.

Anyone know about the area from a golf perspective?

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« Last Edit: June 30, 2005, 09:36:38 AM by Adam_Foster_Collins »

Adam_F_Collins

Re:Pittsburg Golf
« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2005, 09:37:44 AM »
but most of all, as an ex-pat (ex-pit?), i am mortified  ;), that you misspelled the name of the city in the subject line (although you got it right in the main body so i knew which city you wre really talking about).  pittsburg is a city in kansas.  pittsburgh, pa is one of the only, if not the only 'burg' cities with an 'h' on the end.

Sorry - I've repaired it. :)

George Pazin

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Re:Pittsburgh Golf
« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2005, 09:59:58 AM »
In a somewhat sad statement about how much golf I actually play, I am now deferring to JohnV on most things Pittsburgh golf.

However, I will add a few things to stavros' post. Mostly I'd concur with him, differing only in saying that:

- Olde Stonewall and Mystic Rock aren't overpriced, they are WAY overpriced;

- I liked Birdsfoot, some interesting modern golf and some quirk you don't see much of anywhere;

- I really like Quicksilver, it is probably my favorite local public - interesting terrain, greens you must actually put a little thought into or you will get screwed;

- There is a tremendous amount of affordable golf in Pittsburgh, on both the public and private side. My home muni, North Park Golf Course, is a wonderful walk in the park and maxes out at $18 walking on weekends. There are a bunch of publics on the northern side of Pittsburgh, closer to Butler really, that are anywhere from $11 (last I checked) to maybe low $20s to walk anytime. Affordable golf is certainly not an issue in the 'Burgh.

In many respects, Pittsburgh is more about excellent private golf, though I haven't seen much of it.

I yammer on about Oakmont, but I truly believe there is no better course on the planet - there are quite a few Goodale 3 star courses that are in the same vaunted area, but I really don't see how any could be better, other than the views. 18 essay questions that would stand out on any course in the world, yet they all meld together into one cohesive masterpiece.

I spent a couple days at Fox Chapel a few years ago and loved what I saw. Wonderful terrain, wonderful holes, a really special place.

Field Club was less distinctive in my mind, but also a wonderful place. It remains high on most people's list of Burgh courses, justifiably so.

JohnV could share more about other Burgh privates and public, and hopefully he will look in on this thread. His home course Hannastown writeup is in the My Home Course section and well worth a read and play. Edgewood, Longue Vue (I think that's how it's spelled), St. Clair, Allegheny, Sewickley Heights, really just a lot of terrific places.

Adam, please tell your friend to feel free to contact me at any time - (412) 369-7769 work (412) 401-3747 cell - with any questions about Pittsburgh. I'm not the ogre I sometimes appear to be in the politico threads. :) My favorite thing about Pittsburgh is how friendly a town it is. We still say hello to strangers on the street, in the grocery store, etc. My NYC friends make fun of me for actually talking to toll booth collectors, waiters, store register clerks, etc., but that's the way we do things here, and I for one love it. And I do hope that you call me when you come to town, either to tee it up or just grab a beer. Since you're in the design field, you might even get a kick out of my humble t shirt printing operation.

Just don't tell your friend about Burgh weather or he may not move here after all.
« Last Edit: June 30, 2005, 11:19:29 AM by George Pazin »
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Steve_ Shaffer

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Re:Pittsburgh Golf
« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2005, 12:37:24 PM »
As my wife, a Pittsburgh native, says, "The H is for the hills."

I've only played Deer Run(public) and Nevillewood(private- Nicklaus) in the area. Deer Run was a good inexpensive course. Nevillewood has a nice clubhouse. :)

Totteridge(private- Rees Jones) is getting good reviews.

Steve

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Matt_Ward

Re:Pittsburgh Golf
« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2005, 02:57:48 PM »
Steve:

Totterridge personifies so much of what makes people wince about Rees Jones design. The course is fairly ordinary and could have been much better -- when you compare Totterridge to Olde Kinderhook (just outside of Albany) the differences are striking IMHO.

Gents:

Ditto to what George P said about Oakmont -- easily among the top five courses I have played in the USA.

The public side is sort of split -- I also liked Birdsfoot for a number of features there. Olde Stonewall is not remotely near the top 20 in Pennsy, but Digest has it among the top ten. Mystic Rock / Nemacolin has been modified a few times by Pete Dye because of the annual tour event -- I have not been back in two years so I can't comment on the most recent of changes.

If you need to play some quality public offerings you can head south and west because there's good number of accessible and affordable layouts in West Virginia and even eastern Ohio.

P.S. Can't say enough good things about Fox Chapel -- one of the more unheralded layouts of its kind in the USA -- put it in the NYC suburbs and the course would be even more noted than it is today.

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