[Steve_ Shaffer]

Take a look:

www.golfcoursenews.com/news/news.asp?ID=1645

[cary lichtenstein]

Can anyone post any other pictures?

[Mike_Sweeney]

Everything that I have heard about Michael Pascucci is that he is a good guy. If he reads this, hopefully he will take it in the spirit of someone who loves that little piece of the world. Michael, you need to work on that logo! Bring in Tommy Naccarato the same way you brought in Tom Doak.  



My current rankings of Southampton logos:

1. National and the dueling Dutch guys.
2. Southampton GC and its windmill
3. Shinnecock's Indian
4. Sebonack

 

[RJ_Daley]

Thanks Steve, it made for some fun reading this morn.  What will Sebonack max out for yardage, as currently designed?

It does make you wonder how some folks arrive at decisions, like that logo...

[Jerry Kluger]

I visited Sebonack yesterday and Tom does not want anyone taking pictures and posting them as they have an agreement concerning first publication of photos and we need to respect his wishes.  All I can say is that it in my view it is clearly going to be in the top 5 modern courses when it is completed.  I saw 5 or 6 holes on the back and at least 4 of them have spectacular views of the bay and up the coast line as well as back to NGLA.  In fact, the 18th, is a par 5 which runs parallel with the water with the flagpole at National as your target and some wonderful cross bunkers.  It seems that Tom and Nicklaus have worked very well together and while Nicklaus has conerns with making the course challenging for top touring professionals, Tom is concerned that the course will be fun and challenging for the members.  It is my hope that I will be able to go back and play the course when it is done with it possible that it might be ready as early as next spring.

[Mike_Sweeney]

It appears that they were able to take out alot of trees!

[Kevin_Reilly]

Michael, you need to work on that logo!

Mike, finally something has been posted on GCA that no one, I repeat no one, could disagree with!  

[Mike Hendren]

All I can say is that it in my view it is clearly going to be in the top 5 modern courses when it is completed.  

Jerry,

What are the other four?

Respectfully (i.e., with no agenda),

Mike

[Steve_Roths]

Not to answer for Jerry, but just throwing in my two cents:

Sand Hills
Pacific Dunes
Friars Head
Sebonack
Bandon Trails

I think you could slide Erin Hills in there as well from what I hear.  I don't think B.Trails should be in the Top 5 or 10 Modern but I think it will be due to the hype.  


As for the logo, what would everyone had done?  I actually don't think its bad at all.  I know someone suggested a bear with architecural plans in its snout in the past.  

[Larry_Keltto]

It sounds like Ballyneal and Sebonack are on similar opening schedules. Their "best new" competition will be very, very interesting.

[Jerry Kluger]

I didn't mean to imply that it is going to wind up at a particular spot on the top course lists.  It appeared to me with my limited knowledge to be a fantastic location with great rolling property and fantastic views.  We were walking down one fairway, I believe it might have been 15 and there were some very large rolls in the fairway which were almost plateaus and I believe that they were in the area where some drives could land, and I asked Tom if they moved dirt in order to create them and he said no they were just there.  Again, if I remember correctly the 16th was a short uphill par 4 with a really cool green where if you were on the lower level and the pin was back you would have to putt the ball probably ten feet left of the hole and have it swing around and down.  You then came down from the top of the hill looking down at miles of  bay coast for the 17th where the bunker right was a far better choice than the chipping area left and well below the green.  As I said before, you then turned toward the National and played a par 5 with trees right, the bay to the left and beautiful cross bunkers.  Where this all comes out in the end I would never claim to know but I was very impressed with what I saw and unlike Friar's Head they were able to able to really take advantage of the water views.  Friar's Head is a great course and I am in no position to compare the two but I am sure that there will be some good discussions about the strengths of both courses.  

[Don Herdrich]

please play Old Sandwich, Shelter Harbor or Abaco Club before you install Sebonack in a top 5 list.............

[Jerry Kluger]

Perhaps I did get ahead of myself but let's see where things fall out.

[Mark Hissey]

The logo was actually designed in 1919. Rather than come up with a contrived logo with no real meaning, this logo plays something of an homage to the man who initially pieced together the Sebonack property. That person was Charles Sabin, a founder member of NGLA.

The shutters on the old mansion on the property had Mr. Sabin's surname initial carved into them. The logo we now use is this same design.

[Jeff_Mingay]

That's wonderful, Mark. Thanks for your post. Most of the very best golf club logos came together for a definite reason related to site characteristics, habitat, and history.

A hat or shirt featuring the Sebonack "S", but nothing else would be very cool.

Continued success with the development of Sebonack GC.

[A_Clay_Man]

What's with the distinction of architect v. designer?

[Patrick_Mucci]

Mark Hissey,

I think it's a nice logo.

Maybe, the size of the word SEBONACK could be reduced so that the emblem is prominent and the name less BOLD.  
But, that's just my unsolicited opinion.

I've found that It's always easy for people to criticize, but,
much harder, if not impossilbe, for them to come up with a better solution.

Good luck.

[Mark Hissey]

Patrick and Jeff:

Gentlemen, your impressions of the logo as shown in the article are accurate. I have just had a chance to look at it myself and realized that it says the word "Sebonack" under the logo.

The logo is simply the "S" and nothing else. We really believe that simple is better and we loved the simplicity of what we found. The very few hats and shirts that have been produced have just that on the front and we like how it looks. We've been careful to insure that the crescent moons forming the "S" are mirror images if a line is drawn through the middle of them.

I'd like to take this opportunity to make you aware of our philosophy on the construction of Sebonack. There has been no decisions made on this project which haven't been agonized over. That includes the routing, the name, the logo, the clubhouse, the site plan, the "look", even 360 degree views from nearly everywhere on the golf course -- in a nutshell, everything. Things have been reviewed time and time again to get it right, and there will be nothing crass or gaudy and that Sebonack will be infinitely respectful to the game of golf.

The will of Michael Pascucci will insure that this happens. Tom and Jack have been wonderful in this process and could not have performed better. Their amazing talent has really been apparent in the evolution of this course.

Thank you very much for your good wishes. They are very much appreciated.

[A_Clay_Man]

Mark, Re; Logo,
I noticed the ying yang aspect immediately. Well done!
And thank you for that mission statement. With those convictions, Sebonack is already a treasure in the golf world.

[cary lichtenstein]

Mark:

What does the name Sebonac mean?

Is it an Indian name?

Cary

[Gene Greco]

   Incidentally, Charles Sabin was also the man who donated half the land for our club, Southampton Golf Club.

Nice to honor him and his legacy in this manner.

At our club Charles Sabin's portriat hung over our fireplace in our old and new clubhouses for three quarters of a century but has recently been replaced by a large screen TV.

[Kevin_Reilly]

The logo is simply the "S" and nothing else.

I retract my previous comment.  Looks good on its own.  

[Mark Hissey]

Mark:

What does the name Sebonac mean?

Is it an Indian name?

Cary

The name "Sebonack" means "Ground Nut Place", though I'm not sure what a ground nut is and it is indeed an Indian word.

We came accross it when we were researching the history of the property for various reasons related to the project. We came across the first mention of it in the Town Trustee records in about 1670. The English heard the name of the place and were the first to spell it, and as was customary in those days, they ended the word with a "ck" rather than just a "c" as is common now.

So, the name is taken from the original word, rather than just changing the modern-day word just to look different.

[Robert Thompson]

Ok, the article spends too much time on the clubhouse architect, but I have a question about this Nicklaus quote:

 I’m excited about this project. Tom is a bright young talent in the design business, and I look forward to working closely with him. We have an opportunity to do something special here with Sebonack because of a spectacular piece of property located in an area already rich in golf history.

Sounds like something taken off of a press release. "I look forward to working closely with him...." Haven't they already finished most of the shaping? Haven't they been working closely for months?

Oh well, a moderately interesting article on a very interesting course. How in the world can Tom keep a handle on photos? The article had photos and I know of at least one other person who has taken shots of the course in construction. This idea of restricting photos is kind of odd, in my estimation. Seminole won't let you take out a camera, for example, though I have no idea why....

[Jerry Kluger]

Tom explained that they had an agreement with one publication for the initial release of photos of the course and I didn't think I should question his or Jack's motives for that agreement.  If someone were to take photos of the unfinished holes what purpose would it serve other than to satisfy the curiosity of some.  The course should be ready in the Spring and then the finished product will be seen.   I don't think he showed it to me for any reason other than he was being a nice guy as I don't officially represent any golf publication where my comments or views concerning the course would be published and somehow promote the course.  

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