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James Bennett

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Does every Club have the worst bunkers in the world
« on: March 23, 2005, 10:20:48 PM »
Following on from Bob Randquist's Feature Interview on bunkers, it is apparent that so many members of so many clubs all regard their home club as having the worst bunkers in the world.  How can this be?

A separate thread seeks discussion on the relative input from architects/committee/superintendents when determining the key playing and maintenence characteristics of a courses bunkers.  Neither of these threads are about whether bunkers should be consistent (they are hazards), this thread in particular is attempting to discuss why members would universally proclaim their condition to be such a problem.

Some initial dot points include:
- inflexible player technique (one style of shot does not suit all conditions and bunkers, the lesser player generally employs a fuller swing, no matter the conditions)
- the free-draining nature of sand used in the bunkers (leading to varied playing conditions from different parts following rain and/or overnight irrigation and/or downpour)
- the high frequency of play from these areas, versus the periodic frequency of staff maintenance
- the damage down to the bunkers by 'blast shots' followed by well-intended deep raking of the area from 'unskilled' rakers.
- the different construction techniques used to build the bunkers across the course (bunkers are more likely to have a variety of construction methods than the greens.  Imagine the variety of playing surfaces with 6 USGA greens, 2 latter ones with different sand, 5 old push-up with local soil and 5 more recent push-up with soil amendments.  Bunker construction is more likely to have involved construction over many years and so imply such combinations).
- the variety of natural drainage issues faced by the bunkers.  Some are dug below ground, some are more free draining, some at surface level or even above ground etc etc.

These sort of issues imply to me that bunkers are the one playing area on a course whose playability has to vary to some degree during any given day, and must, by definition, have more significant playability variations from day to day.  Perhaps golfers don't notice these latter variations as much when they visit other courses (they probably only visit one or two bunkers in that round).

There must be some sound logic for the common view that 'my home club has the worst bunkers'?  Any thoughts.
« Last Edit: March 24, 2005, 12:42:05 AM by James Bennett »
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A_Clay_Man

Re:Does every Club have the worst bunkers in the world
« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2005, 07:17:39 AM »
A couple.

1) If this is true, I would say that it illustrates the need to closely circumspect any comments made to the Super or the Green Comm. at any course, from these oh so many members.

2) The sad reality is that many people don't accept responsibility for their actions, and, proper blame needs to placed everywhere but likely where it most belongs.

A.G._Crockett

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Re:Does every Club have the worst bunkers in the world
« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2005, 08:42:25 AM »
No, not EVERY club.  Just mine.  If I could post pictures, this thread would be over immediately.

I'm not kidding; Alpharetta Country Club has the worst bunkers of any dues paying private club in America.  I'd bet on it.

The good news is that all our members go other places and are seen a sand wizards; it's like we're throwing the ball at the pin.  I've learned a lot of shots because of the unbelievably inconsistent conditions, and have come to love it.

Plus, the bottom line is that they are HAZARDS.  I have only myself to blame.
"Golf...is usually played with the outward appearance of great dignity.  It is, nevertheless, a game of considerable passion, either of the explosive type, or that which burns inwardly and sears the soul."      Bobby Jones

Michael Wharton-Palmer

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Re:Does every Club have the worst bunkers in the world
« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2005, 09:30:12 AM »
I recently critisised Ron Pritchard for his "renovation" of my home course in the early seventies..with   a disclaimer that it was his early work, and so I certainly did not judge him by this single project.

One thing that is very clear, is that his talents were begining to show, because the bunkering he laid down is great.
The previosly mentioned overmounding was not his best work, but the bunkering is fantastic..everytime I play the course I think the same thing.
We added new sand last year which enhances the bunkers, but it was his plans that allowed us to have such great bunkering.

Jason Tetterton

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Re:Does every Club have the worst bunkers in the world
« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2005, 09:43:38 AM »
The new bunker work at Palmetto looks great.  People who get the chance to see it or play it during the week of the Masters should do so, i think that they'll be impressed.

cary lichtenstein

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Re:Does every Club have the worst bunkers in the world
« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2005, 02:29:02 PM »
Not mine, the bunkers at the Ritz in Jupiter are as good as any I have played out of.

Maintained perfectly, challenging,  and I love the sand :)
Live Jupiter, Fl, was  4 handicap, played top 100 US, top 75 World. Great memories, no longer play, 4 back surgeries. I don't miss a lot of things about golf, life is simpler with out it. I miss my 60 degree wedge shots, don't miss nasty weather, icing, back spasms. Last course I played was Augusta

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