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Mark_Rowlinson

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Re:A golf club with a membership made up of GCAers!?
« Reply #25 on: November 23, 2004, 11:14:05 AM »
Come on you lot!  Why should the course be in America?

Mike_Sweeney

Re:A golf club with a membership made up of GCAers!?
« Reply #26 on: November 23, 2004, 11:14:54 AM »
Mike,

Explain if you would...

Lido was originally a Macdonald and Timber Point was originally a Colt & Alison (?). Today Lido is a RTJ on a tight property, and Timber Point is 27 holes where there should be 18. Lido is owned by the Town and Timber Point owned by The County. There have been long threads about what was there, and how Timber Point could be restored......

It is a fun topic, but...............it ain't gonna happen.

TEPaul

Re:A golf club with a membership made up of GCAers!?
« Reply #27 on: November 23, 2004, 11:22:58 AM »
MarkR:

Wow, an idea to beat all ideas! Is there a 36 hole golf club out there anywhere that has one 18 in the States and the other 18 over in your neck of the woods? This could be a first!

I've got to say that of all the tournaments (invitationals) I've played in over here the best of them by far are the ones that had a contingent of European players in them. Almost without exception all those from the other side are memorble guys!

Scott_Burroughs

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Re:A golf club with a membership made up of GCAers!?
« Reply #28 on: November 23, 2004, 11:29:57 AM »
I think that Ran's Carthage Club dream sounds like a perfect fit for this idea.

If everyone pitched in (more for locals w/i a certain radius), it could get done, IMO.  Let Ran be the Czar (or he could appoint one) and choose the architect(s).

Rick Shefchik

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Re:A golf club with a membership made up of GCAers!?
« Reply #29 on: November 23, 2004, 11:38:32 AM »
If the architects were to be Coore & Crenshaw, I'd be more than happy with their same old, same old...
"Golf is 20 percent mechanics and technique. The other 80 percent is philosophy, humor, tragedy, romance, melodrama, companionship, camaraderie, cussedness and conversation." - Grantland Rice

ForkaB

Re:A golf club with a membership made up of GCAers!?
« Reply #30 on: November 23, 2004, 11:39:53 AM »
Somewhere in the archives was a similar thread started by Gib in which he described his ideal club "Papazian Hills."

It was a good idea then and is a good idea now.  The place to do it is in the States, and all it really needs is somebody to grab the bull by the cojones and just do it!  Finance would not be a problem with this group.

Once the "home" club was established, getting a UK satellite would be nae problemo.  Right now there is an 18-hole club with modern clubhouse for sale in Scotland for about $750,000.  That's pocket change to most Doyens on this site.

blasbe1

Re:A golf club with a membership made up of GCAers!?
« Reply #31 on: November 23, 2004, 11:47:53 AM »
Here, Here...  ;D
NO TIMBER POINT either !!

Mike:

Unlike Lido, TP still sits on the original site and could virtually be restored anew!  

I would vote early and often for TP.  

blasbe1

Re:A golf club with a membership made up of GCAers!?
« Reply #32 on: November 23, 2004, 12:02:11 PM »
This actually relates slightly to an idea that I came up with some time ago that has morphed over time:

It started with my desire to buy some good land and design and build a 3 or 6 hole loop, depending on the property size, when I retire.  

It then morphed into a reality tv show, 2 teams design and build their own 9 holes, winner to be determined by a panel including Doak, C&C and Hanse gets the course for themselves.  Judging standards purely classic with a walk in the park intangible.  

Now, it could be GCAers designing and building our own club and we could get a hip group from NYU Film School to shoot a docu-drama entitled "Links Dreams."  75% of the film proceeds to go to running the course, all post operational profits donated to charity, annual dues $2,000 per member.  $1,000 initiation fee for aquisition costs.

It'd have to be in the middle of nowhere but that shouldn't stop this group.  


Mike Benham

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Re:A golf club with a membership made up of GCAers!?
« Reply #33 on: November 23, 2004, 12:15:45 PM »
Would raters be comp'd?

What beer would be on tap in the grill room?

What size would the "measure" be that the kummel is served in, chilled of course?

Rakes, in or out of the bunkers?

"... and I liked the guy ..."

Scott_Burroughs

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Re:A golf club with a membership made up of GCAers!?
« Reply #34 on: November 23, 2004, 12:21:46 PM »
As Rihc indicated, this has been discussed before (more than once), most famously in the Gib-started "Papazian Hills" thread, which he soon changed to "Redan Hills".  It is classic GCA.com.  

Here's the original thread:  http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forums2/index.php?board=1;action=display;threadid=3876

W.H. Cosgrove

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Re:A golf club with a membership made up of GCAers!?
« Reply #35 on: November 23, 2004, 12:25:19 PM »
We wouldn't need to hire an architect!  Just break the members down into groups and build the thing by committee.  

That would be an eye opening experience!!

THuckaby2

Re:A golf club with a membership made up of GCAers!?
« Reply #36 on: November 23, 2004, 12:26:08 PM »
That was a great trip down memory lane - thanks for finding and posting that, Scott.

But hmmmmmm.... very interesting.... and I hope my friend Shivas goes back and reads, he who bantered back and forth with me for 100+ posts trying to convince me that gambling on the course cannot ruin friendships... he might be interested in this quote in that thread, from Mr. Huntley:

"I would dissuade any member from making larger than life bets. More clubs and friendships have been ruined by excessive gambling than any other cause. Forty years ago, Royal Johannesburg had a clique of punters that caused much concern to the rest of the membership. Because they tipped expansively and the caddies always bet on their player, the rest of the members would have a tough time getting a caddie, as they all hid in the background until their favourite arrived. It got so bad, that the Board issued an edict that no one was to play for more than thirty pennies out and in, drinks at the turn and for lunch. If it was determined that a Member had broken the rules he was
suspended for ninety days.

My point, what is the amount that is considered reasonable?
In our group, any one who loses ten dollars or more is out of the drink roll."


Sorry for the tangent.  But Dave, you gonna tell Huntley he's full of shit like you told me in so many words?

 ;D ;D ;D
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Andy Hughes

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Re:A golf club with a membership made up of GCAers!?
« Reply #37 on: November 23, 2004, 12:53:36 PM »
Quote
Rakes, in or out of the bunkers?
There'd be rakes? Does that mean the herd of elephants is out?
I was kinda looking forward to Mr Paul's posse of pachyderms...
« Last Edit: November 23, 2004, 12:54:12 PM by Andy Hughes »
"Perhaps I'm incorrect..."--P. Mucci 6/7/2007

Bill Gayne

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Re:A golf club with a membership made up of GCAers!?
« Reply #38 on: November 23, 2004, 12:59:47 PM »
With 1,501 members, it probably requires a multi course complex. Pass the collection hat and buy Bandon. Make all the courses the GCA member's club and then make it real interesting and have competing green committees for each of the courses. ;D

THuckaby2

Re:A golf club with a membership made up of GCAers!?
« Reply #39 on: November 23, 2004, 01:21:43 PM »
Well-reasoned answer, counselor.  But you remain wrong.  And Bob can, and hopefully will, speak for himself.

I doubt he finds himself full of shit on this issue.  But if he does, then that is yet another feather in his cap because I'm with you... one who realizes that about onesself is to be admired indeed.

TH

Jonathan Cummings

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Re:A golf club with a membership made up of GCAers!?
« Reply #40 on: November 23, 2004, 05:40:22 PM »
Handicaps would be a function of the inverse of your number of posts.  The more you post the lower your 'cap.  Take that you YBGod-ers!

JC

SL_Solow

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Re:A golf club with a membership made up of GCAers!?
« Reply #41 on: November 23, 2004, 05:45:25 PM »
Shiv;  based on your last post, you are certainly one of the most honorable men I have the pleasure of knowing.

Mark_Rowlinson

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Re:A golf club with a membership made up of GCAers!?
« Reply #42 on: November 23, 2004, 05:51:57 PM »
I haven't yet worked out the real implications of Jonathan's post but it's a nice idea.  

Forget all this junk about a course in the USA or another in Europe or whatever.  Choose 6 holes in North America, 6 in the Old World and 6 in Australasia, the rest of Asia, South America and anywhere else you can think of.  Readjust those perameters and submit suggestions for a GCA buy-out now.  Count me out as far as money is concerned.

Bob_Huntley

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Re:A golf club with a membership made up of GCAers!?
« Reply #43 on: November 23, 2004, 07:17:57 PM »
David and Thomas of Huckaby,

I will state that when it comes to gambling, I think I know of which I speak. And not just from golf.

The story of Johannesburg C.C. was not that there was a shortage of caddies or a weak caddie master, but the genus 'African caddie' was as wily as certain animals on the veldt when their meal was about to arrive. With gambling cliques playing for high stakes you get clubs within clubs and a slowness of play that is painful. There is a divide between members on the subject. From time to time I play with a golfer who happens to have religious views that prevent him from gambling, even for small sums. I must admit, it upsets the tenor of the game but he is a stong player and adds to the quality of the play in the group.

I have seen money change hands at clubs in Los Angeles that, to me at least, were obscene; to the protagonists it may well have been small change. I played with a man who sold his lady's clothing stores for something like nine million dollars, this in 1970's currency. A great golfer and fierce competitor, he would place bets that staggered the imagination. He died broke a few years later.

When I wrote that friendships and clubs have been ruined by excessive gambling, perhaps I should had written that the 'essence" of the club was ruined. David is right that mismanagement, a lousy super, poor food, out of control dues increases and a host of other causes can signal the end of a club as we know it, however, excessive gambling is a cancer.

To put it into perspective, apocryphal or not, I was told the story of Warren Buffet at Augusta playing  cards wth the guest of a member. When the young man carped at the smallness of the stake Buffet asked of his net worth. The young man gave him a figure. Buffet said let's play for that. End of story. Play for what you can afford no more, no less. I am less than impressed when told of the exploiters of big hitters.

David, I refuse to accept that I am full of shit, at least not on this subject. ;)

Bob

 

Tony Petersen

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Re:A golf club with a membership made up of GCAers!?
« Reply #44 on: November 23, 2004, 07:45:45 PM »
The one certainty is that it would NOT be a T. Fazio design  ;D Other than that, some great skins games and more than a couple step-out scrambles. Bacon and eggs for breakfast, lunch and dinner... MMMMMMM ;)
Ski - U - Mah... University of Minnesota... "Seven beers followed by two Scotches and a thimble of marijuana and it's funny how sleep comes all on it's own.”

A_Clay_Man

Re:A golf club with a membership made up of GCAers!?
« Reply #45 on: November 23, 2004, 07:50:55 PM »
I'd also reccommend we diversify, utilizing the grape and the grain, to produce two world class sipping products.

Equity memberships, is a notion I could really get behind.

Steve Lang

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Re:A golf club with a membership made up of GCAers!?
« Reply #46 on: November 23, 2004, 08:35:41 PM »
 8)

I assume that one would be given a handicap by Lord Paul upon completing an assessment round with the committee ?

Handicaps only derived from tournament scores too?
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The voice of Inverness"

cary lichtenstein

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Re:A golf club with a membership made up of GCAers!?
« Reply #47 on: November 23, 2004, 09:34:40 PM »
I vote for JakaB to be president ;D
Live Jupiter, Fl, was  4 handicap, played top 100 US, top 75 World. Great memories, no longer play, 4 back surgeries. I don't miss a lot of things about golf, life is simpler with out it. I miss my 60 degree wedge shots, don't miss nasty weather, icing, back spasms. Last course I played was Augusta

Patrick_Mucci

Re:A golf club with a membership made up of GCAers!?
« Reply #48 on: November 23, 2004, 11:09:21 PM »
Redanman,

I'm very comfortable with TEPaul as President.

I'm content to remain in the backround .....
like a ventriloquist and puppeteer ....
forming his words and pulling his strings   ;D

Jonathan Cummings

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Re:A golf club with a membership made up of GCAers!?
« Reply #49 on: November 24, 2004, 07:28:51 AM »
I'm content to remain in the backround .....
like a ventriloquist and puppeteer ....
forming his words and pulling his strings  

LOL - my God Patrick, can you dig!
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