A golf club with a membership made up of GCAers!?

« **on:** November 23, 2004, 09:51:11 AM »

I read this site and often wonder what in God's Green Earth a golf club made up of a membership of just GOLFCLUBATLASERs would be like.

Everybody's got his own adamant opinion on everything under the sun to do with golf and golf architecture and the ability to compromise seems about the last possible approach.

Would a golf club, even with a great golf course, made up of just GOLFCLUBATLASERs be a complete joy to be part of or would it be the world's best definition of terrible morale?

I think it would be the latter judging from most of the discussion on this discussion group unless of course I was the complete dictatorial czar of the place who had a free hand to put a "Hannibel Lecter" mask on Patrick Mucci if he even looked at me the wrong way and a total free hand to have guys like Rich Goodale, Tom MacWood and redanman hurled bodily over the fence at least every other day. I'd definitely consider making Bob Crosby my CEO and right hand man though and the candidate to succeed me if I got murdered!

What do you guys think a golf club, even with a really great golf course, made up only of GOLFCLUBATLASERS would be like?

« **Reply #1 on:** November 23, 2004, 09:52:38 AM »

A friggin' blast.

Only with less arguments.

« **Reply #2 on:** November 23, 2004, 09:54:14 AM »

I think it would be great if you could get the people with all the answers to pay their dues....

« **Reply #3 on:** November 23, 2004, 09:57:29 AM »

I think if we could all join Cypress Point, PIne Valley, Merion, Sand Hills and Pacific Dunes..we would all be happy campers and the post round critisms cut to a minimum except for my good buddy KB who will always find something to complain about....that is what I love about him!!!

By the way KB keep me informed about the 4 ball at the Old Viv

« **Reply #4 on:** November 23, 2004, 09:57:43 AM »

You better watch your cotton picking language when you're on club property and around me Cirba!! You're already on two weeks upside down double secret probation!

Oh, forgetaboutit---just go spend about two weeks practicing your wedge game so you and me can go out and whup Shivas's and Ward's long-hittin' but mindless asses!

« **Reply #5 on:** November 23, 2004, 10:01:08 AM »

GCA GC with a great course is way too easy. Make it have an average course and force the guys to learn to enjoy the game again for the sake of the game.

If it had a great course, you'd have these pathetic love-fest discussions in the bar. Even worse, you'd have these long-winded, nit-picky, "I didn't say that" catfights that would require tampons in the men's room.

But I am looking forward to seeing Tom Paul, Matt Ward, Shivas and Moriarty paired together in their weekly game.

And as long as walking was required and all rounds must finished or be terminated in 3.5hrs, it would be great.

« **Reply #6 on:** November 23, 2004, 10:12:08 AM »

A better question is what architect would actually take the job knowing the potential hornet nest they'd be stepping into?!?!

It would be the epitome of a bunch of backseat drivers from the early stages of design through construction. It sure would be fun though!

« **Reply #7 on:** November 23, 2004, 10:19:04 AM »

Quote from: Jimmy Muratt on November 23, 2004, 10:12:08 AM

A better question is what architect would actually take the job knowing the potential hornet nest they'd be stepping into?!?!

The only architect that ever turns down any paying job is Coore and Crenshaw and that is just in case they can't fit their same ole same ole on a piece of ground different enough from the last that it fools the client....

« **Reply #8 on:** November 23, 2004, 10:21:07 AM »

Jimmy:

The architects would be a total collaboration of all my favorite architects and if any member was even seen within shouting distance of any of them, except me of course, that member would be permanently expunged from existence from this natural earth of ours! All architectural recommendations from members would have to come through me and I'd probably "long wind" them to death---the recommendations that is! But who really knows, there may be the occasional valuable one that comes down the pike every so often. Rich Goodale, for instance, would be given cut-rate initiation and dues but only allowed to appear and play when the course was frozen solid and temporary greens were being used!

".....and I would have no problem with TEP as the Czar, in fact he could run absolutely everything."

redanman:

You're kidding me! For that grand remark and jesture you're hereby immune for at least two years from being bodily hurled over the fence at least every other day! Good show, Pal!

« **Reply #9 on:** November 23, 2004, 10:21:44 AM »

It would be fun to see if the Doak lovefest would continue if he designed the course, and every time one of you complained about something that he told you that you were an architectural dolt.

« **Reply #10 on:** November 23, 2004, 10:22:09 AM »

The real criteria for evaluating any club, is the A**hole factor.

While I've only met a handful, I'd say "our" club would have a very low number, compared to most clubs.

The number of Dicknoses would be another matter.

« **Reply #11 on:** November 23, 2004, 10:35:08 AM »

You know what? This thread is just over ten posts long and I've changed my mind---I think this club has the potential to be the best membership in the history of golf course architecture! Anybody who understands the important distinctions between a...holes and dicknoses is an incredibly valuable club asset. Adam, you've just been made the chairman of the admissions committee although all decisions are made by me---and if you don't like that see redanman!

What do you think the possibility is that Pat Mucci and Tom MacWood will develop a weekly golf game?

« **Reply #12 on:** November 23, 2004, 10:38:14 AM »

Id be interested to know who would be elected Club President? Any Votes?

and then we have the tough question of green committee members... who would step into that cauldron from our beloved bunch? Id hate to be the architect in a few years time called in to make some alterations and has to present his ideas to the members and the board!

« **Reply #13 on:** November 23, 2004, 10:40:30 AM »

The super would last about a week.

« **Reply #14 on:** November 23, 2004, 10:46:40 AM »

"Id be interested to know who would be elected Club President? Any Votes?"

James J.S. Edwards, my boy:

Who said anything about elections? The word "vote" will be one only spoken at your own risk! The club motto will be those glorious words recently spoken in an important meeting by the President of NGLA;

"What do you think we're trying to run here, a f...ing democracy?"

Brad Klein said:

"The super would last about a week."

Brad, obviously you don't know Matt Burrows very well. He's one of the finest "in your face" supers in the entire world. He'd be the super and he'd have complete freedom to deck any member any time he felt like it. Except me of course, but that would never come up I'm such a nice guy and so knowledgeable on worms and architectural ants and such!

« **Reply #15 on:** November 23, 2004, 10:57:13 AM »

TEPaul my boy:

You would need one with you boys as members. Nothing would ever get done otherwise.

« **Reply #16 on:** November 23, 2004, 10:57:21 AM »

How about making the membership accountable for their words? Got a complaint, throw $1 in the bucket and write your complain about the course up on the wall for all to see. No side conversations, no deleting postings from GCA....pay for your input or keep your mouth shut and enjoy the course and the membership. No greens committees (or any committees) and public ridicule of comments on the wall happens once a month, right before the 8am tee-times on Saturday.

« **Reply #17 on:** November 23, 2004, 11:00:03 AM »

As admissions liason, I can assure ya'll, nobody, that insists on consistency of turf, or lie, would likely be admitted. So the supers job might be the best in the land? As a matter of fact, it should be placed in the articles of the constitution that NO super could be fired without a 100% vote, to do so (or TePaul said so).

Just for clarification, A-holes spout out the sheit, while a dicknose is more probing in their quest for, whatever.

« **Reply #18 on:** November 23, 2004, 11:01:15 AM »

I'm really new around here, so take this for what it's worth . . .I'm all for a dictatorship! Too many opinions tend to water down results.

Now as for a piece of land or existing course to use . . .I nominate the Lido Muni on Long Island. It sits on a decent piece of land - on the water, and with all of the History associated with "The Lido", maybe us GCAers could really create and or nurture something special.

It gets windy out there, and I'd consider wind to be a crucial elemant in terms of choosing a site for a great course. The land is easily walkable, actually maybe a little too flat. And there is an area by the existing 5th hole where you can catch some very impressive stripers in the fall . . .It could become a terrific Golf and Fish Club . . .

-Ted

« **Reply #19 on:** November 23, 2004, 11:06:17 AM »

Quote from: Ted Kramer on November 23, 2004, 11:01:15 AM

Now as for a piece of land or existing course to use . . .I nominate the Lido Muni on Long Island. It sits on a decent piece of land - on the water, and with all of the History associated with "The Lido", maybe us GCAers could really create and or nurture something special.

Ted,

I believe that I led you into this asylum, and God help you for mentioning the current Lido to this crew.

FYI - There may be a golf course on in the Long Island phonebook that is called Lido, but at GCA LIDO has been gone for years.

« **Reply #20 on:** November 23, 2004, 11:06:25 AM »

Here, Here Ted.... as soon as the greens start going through bad times, I bet there would be an opinion or two then from this knowledgable group ...

« **Reply #21 on:** November 23, 2004, 11:08:44 AM »

Quote from: James J.S Edwards on November 23, 2004, 11:06:25 AM

Here, Here...

Ted,

NO TIMBER POINT either !!

« **Reply #22 on:** November 23, 2004, 11:09:40 AM »

Mike,

Explain if you would...

« **Reply #23 on:** November 23, 2004, 11:10:00 AM »

Brad,

Try a day at best.

« **Reply #24 on:** November 23, 2004, 11:10:48 AM »

Quote from: Mike Sweeney on November 23, 2004, 11:06:17 AM

Quote from: Ted Kramer on November 23, 2004, 11:01:15 AM

Now as for a piece of land or existing course to use . . .I nominate the Lido Muni on Long Island. It sits on a decent piece of land - on the water, and with all of the History associated with "The Lido", maybe us GCAers could really create and or nurture something special.

Ted,

I believe that I led you into this asylum, and God help you for mentioning the current Lido to this crew.

FYI - There may be a golf course on in the Long Island phonebook that is called Lido, but at GCA LIDO has been gone for years.

Fair enough. . . .
I grew up 5 minutes from there and learned to play on that scrappy course. I love it and always will. I just thought it would be cool to see what could be done with that place by a bunch of guys who really know their stuff. . .

Starting off with a Great Course seems too easy for this crew, whats wrong with some hard work in creating something from almost nothing . . .?

News:

TEPaul

Mike_Cirba

JakaB

Michael Wharton-Palmer

TEPaul

Brian_Gracely

Jimmy Muratt

JakaB

TEPaul

Brian_Gracely

A_Clay_Man

TEPaul

James Edwards

Brad Klein

TEPaul

James Edwards

Brian_Gracely

A_Clay_Man

Ted Kramer

Mike_Sweeney

James Edwards

Mike_Sweeney

James Edwards

Sean McCue

Ted Kramer

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