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Gerry B

Re:Roads crossing holes?
« Reply #25 on: September 20, 2004, 10:58:46 PM »
The Mid Ocean example is a great one - the tee shot on the terrific short par 4  -4th hole and the second shot (potentially) on the par 5 15th are 2 holes that have roads to negotiate. I once hit a bus crossing the road on #15 after nutting a 3 wood that would have got home in 2 -a rarity for me - was not happy about it.

A bad example of a road crossing is the 18th  hole at Scarboro in Toronto - the road should have been tunnelled as the steel fence and net detract from what could be a great uphill par 4.

TEPaul

Re:Roads crossing holes?
« Reply #26 on: September 21, 2004, 05:21:35 AM »
Wayne:

It seems to me the haha is used more frequently in major applications of landscape architecture and such---eg Ardrossan Farm and other English country estate type applications---not really on a dairy farm. I believe the idea of the haha (trench or wall) is to make the division between a lawn, for instance, and the more distant fields in which cattle graze appear seamless or non-existent (ie "natural"). From a mansion house, for instance, as one looks across a massive length of lawn it appears the distant cattle could wander onto the lawn but of course they can't as they can't cross the haha that one can't see at the far end of the long expanse of lawn. The haha was a landscape application alternative to fencing in certain spots since fencing is visible and breaks up the look of the distant but planned natural appearing view.

A really good ecample of the use of a haha on a golf course (in this case it hides a maintenance road across a fairway) is on the end of the fairway on the 4th hole at Hanse's Applebrook G.C.
« Last Edit: September 21, 2004, 05:24:37 AM by TEPaul »

Tom_Doak

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Re:Roads crossing holes?
« Reply #27 on: September 21, 2004, 07:46:55 AM »
Tom:

There are LOTS of great courses which cross a road ... no one has mentioned Granny Clark's Wynd yet.  In fact the majority of the top ten courses have road crossings.

But, if you can avoid it, you probably should.  Litigation is more and more a factor in our lives, and on most sites if there is reasonable room there is a way to avoid it.

At Barnbougle we were on a tight budget and simply didn't want to make the road any longer than it needed to be.  And the clubhouse site we did pick will blow everyone away.

PS  Sebonack's driveway crosses in front of the ninth tee; Lost Dunes also has a hole which hits across the entrance drive [not to mention the tunnel under I-94].

Mark_Rowlinson

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Re:Roads crossing holes?
« Reply #28 on: September 21, 2004, 07:53:34 AM »
The 16th at Alwoodley may not cross a road, but the 17th very certainly does, a public road at that.

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