Nice one Ian, I guess I can be less than honorable at times. Now according to Dan King I am a down right pig, taking money from the highest bidder. Dan, could you please give me the list of client's that are bidding up architects fees? Please. You have set a high standard, and you are pushing architects to think deeper about what they are doing. Good. I think you are doing a good thing, to disparage some of the scum like me that have done courses with carts, and are difficult to walk seems excessive but so be it, Imean there will always be the beautiful people then there will be us white trailer trash. Let me push you a little. I just shelved my metal driver and 4 wood and have gone back to my persimmon Toney Penna driver, and I just purchased a Toney Penna persmmon 4 wood to go with it. I think of it as enhancing the golfing experience, ever bit as worthy as walking which I do also, so I hope you and others join me. There are a lot of beautiful persimmon woods on ebay for cheap that nobody wants. I hope you join me.