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Neil Regan

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Aerial Quiz: 10 courses in 1 aerial
« on: August 03, 2004, 03:23:27 AM »
Can you name the 10 courses in this one aerial, all within a few miles of each other ?

Grass speed  <>  Green Speed

Tom_Doak

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Re:Aerial Quiz: 10 courses in 1 aerial
« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2004, 07:15:47 AM »
Neil,

That's mean.  Not many are going to get the public course just north of the parkway.  I must've driven by it 500 times and I never stopped in to walk it.

Sean Remington (SBR)

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Re:Aerial Quiz: 10 courses in 1 aerial
« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2004, 07:26:38 AM »
   Not even a guess about the golf courses. I'm just hoping to guess the region of the country. I'm guessing NY Met area, possibly Wing Foot, Fenway area?

    Great areial!

Guy Corcoran, Jr

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Re:Aerial Quiz: 10 courses in 1 aerial
« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2004, 07:36:22 AM »
Great picture, here we go Siwanoy, Wykagyl, Lake Isle, Leewood, Saxon Woods, Scarsdale Golf Club, Bonnie Briar, Quaker Ridge, Winged Foot West & East.

Scott_Burroughs

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Re:Aerial Quiz: 10 courses in 1 aerial
« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2004, 08:39:53 AM »
BigDuke,

Close, 9 out of 10.  The one at the top isn't Scarsdale, but Fenway.

6 of the 10 were AOTDs, so I guess I'm cheating.  :-X

Nothing like infrared aerials from the USGS to throw colors for a loop.

ForkaB

Re:Aerial Quiz: 10 courses in 1 aerial
« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2004, 08:49:42 AM »
I thought it was somewhere in Scotland until I realized that most of the courses over here are green (or brown) and not red.  Is Westchester County some sort of Superfund site?

Neil Regan

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Re:Aerial Quiz: 10 courses in 1 aerial
« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2004, 10:25:55 AM »
Scott,
   You can't play.  ;)

Grass speed  <>  Green Speed

Mike Hendren

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Re:Aerial Quiz: 10 courses in 1 aerial
« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2004, 10:47:39 AM »
I thought it was somewhere in Scotland until I realized that most of the courses over here are green (or brown) and not red.  Is Westchester County some sort of Superfund site?

Rich,

For some reason I was reminded to stop by the bait shop on the way home for a styrofoam cup full of nightcrawlers.

Mike

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Geoffrey_Walsh

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Re:Aerial Quiz: 10 courses in 1 aerial
« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2004, 02:03:47 PM »
I grew up just down the road from Saxon Woods and had always heard rumors that Tillie did the original design.  Can anyone confirm just how much Tillie participated in the design and construction of this municipal course?

SPDB

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Re:Aerial Quiz: 10 courses in 1 aerial
« Reply #9 on: August 03, 2004, 02:25:32 PM »
Neil - You could have gotten more and better courses by moving a frame east. Sacrificing Lake Isle, Leewood and Siwanoy for Westchester (45 holes), Apawamis and probably Maple Moor. Which also would likely have included Willow Ridge, parts of Rye Golf and Hampshire thrown in for good measure.  

Phil_the_Author

Re:Aerial Quiz: 10 courses in 1 aerial
« Reply #10 on: August 03, 2004, 04:08:49 PM »
Geoffrey,

According to a number of sources ranging from Cornish & Whitten to Wolffe & the Tillnghast Association, Saxon Woods is an original Tillinghast design done in 1930.

In fact, of the 10 courses shown, 8 were worked on by Tilly.

Bonnie Briar - Renovations & Additions - 1923
Fenway (Fenimore) - Original Design - 1924
Quaker Ridge - Original Design - 1918
Saxon Woods - Original Design - 1930
Siwanoy - Renovations - 1936
Wykagl - Renovations & Additions - 1931
Winged Foot West & East - Original Designs - 1923

In addition, the misidentified Scarsdale is also a Tillinghast Original Design done in 1923.

For most architects, this list is a career, for Tillinghast it doesn't even represent 10% of his original designs & far less than that of his reniovations.


SPDB

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Re:Aerial Quiz: 10 courses in 1 aerial
« Reply #11 on: August 03, 2004, 04:23:29 PM »
Phillip - I'd be curious to see your list of Tillie's original designs. Could you post it?

Doug Braunsdorf

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Re:Aerial Quiz: 10 courses in 1 aerial
« Reply #12 on: August 03, 2004, 04:50:05 PM »
Isn't Old Oaks (Tillinghast) nearby as well, I thought the property abutted the parkway--?
"Never approach a bull from the front, a horse from the rear, or a fool from any direction."

Phil_the_Author

Re:Aerial Quiz: 10 courses in 1 aerial
« Reply #13 on: August 04, 2004, 12:44:47 AM »
SPDP - These are the courses that all have mentioned as his "original designs" with dates as shown. There may actually be a number of others which are being investigated. Also, if anyone cares to help locate or suggest some that are not listed it would be greatly appreciated.

Tilly’s Courses

Abington Hills CC
Scranton, PA (Extinct)

Alpine CC
Alpine, NJ (1931)

Anglo-American Club
Lac L’Achign, Quebec

Aronimink GC
Drexel Hill, PA (1915 – Extinct)

Atlantic Beach GC
Atlantic Beach, FL (1916 – Extinct)

Bailey Park CC
Mt. Vernon, NY

Baltimore CC, Five Farms East
Baltimore, MD (1926)

Baltusrol GC, Lower and Upper Courses
Springfield, NJ (1922)

Beavertail CC
Jamestown, RI (1925 – Extinct)

Belmont Park GC
(AKA – Hermitage CC) – Richmond, VA (1918)

Berkshire Hills CC
Pittsfield, MA (1925)

Bethpage State Park - Black, Red and Blue Courses
Farmingdale, NY (1935-6)

Binghamton CC
Endwell, NY (1922) [1918]

Bluff Point G&CC
Plattsburg, NY

Brackenridge Park GC
San Antonio, TX (1916) [1915]

Bridgton-Highlands CC
(9 holes)
Bridgton, ME (1926)

Brook Hollow GC
Dallas, TX (1924) [1921]

Capital City CC
(9 holes)
Tallahassee, FL (1936)

Cedarbrook Hill
(FKA Cedarbrook CC)
Philadelphia, PA

Cedar Crest GC
Dallas, TX

Cherry Hill Club
Ft. Erie, Canada

Country Club of Ithaca
Ithaca, NY (Extinct)


Davis Island GC
(9 holes)
Tampa, FL (1926)

Dellwood CC
(FKA Mountain View Farms)
New City, NY (1920)

Dorval Municipal GC
(FKA Elm Ridge CC)
Montreal, Quebec

Elmwood CC
White Plains, NY (1920)

Elm Ridge GC
Montreal, Canada (Extinct)

Erie GC
Erie, PA

Essex County CC
West Orange, NJ (1918)

Fenway GC
(FKA Fenimore CC)
Scarsdale, NY (1924)

Forest Hill FC
Bloomfield, NJ (1926)

Fort Sam Houston GC
(27 holes) La Oma Course
Ft. Sam Houston, TX

Fresh Meadow CC
Flushing, NY (Extinct)
Golden Valley CC
Golden Valley, MN (1926) [1925]

Harmon CC
(9 holes)
Lebanon, NY [1918]

Hempstead CC
(9 holes)
Port Washington, NY [1916]

Illinois GC
Glen Cove, IL (Extinct)

Indian Hills CC
Mission Hills, KS (1925)

Ingleside CC
(9 holes)
Atlanta, GA

Irem Temple CC
Dallas, TX

Island Hills GC
Sayville, NY

Jackson Heights CC
(Lilliput Links)
Jamaica, NY (Extinct)

Johnson City CC
Johnson City, TN

Kansas City CC
Shawnee Mission, KS (1925)

Kingsport CC
Kingsport TN

Kingston GC
(9 holes)
Kingston, NY

Knollwood CC
Elmsford, NY (1925)

Lafayette CC
Jamesville, NY

Lakewood CC
(27 holes)
Westlake, Ohio [1925]

Marble Island GC
Colchester, VT

Mount Pleasant CC
Brown’s Mill, NJ

Mountain Ridge CC
(9 holes)
West Orange, NJ [1916 – Extinct]

Myers Park CC
 (9 holes)
Charlotte, NC [1921]

Myosotis CC
Eatontown, NJ (Extinct)

New Castle CC
New Castle, PA

Newport CC
Newport, RO

North Shore CC
Glen Head, NY (1917)

Norwood CC
Long Branch, NJ

Oak Hills CC
(FKA Alamo Country Club)
San Antonio, TX [1921]

Oaks CC
(FKA Oakhurst CC)
Tulsa, OK (1921) [1924]

Old Oaks CC
Purchase, NY (1925)

Oswego CC
(9 holes)
Oswego, NY

Philadelphia Cricket Club
Philadelphia, PA (1933)

Pleasantville CC
Pleasantville, NY (1917)

Port Jervis CC
(9 holes)
Port Jervis, NY (1921)

Poxono CC
Shawnee-On-Delaware, PA

Quaker Ridge GC
Scarsdale, NY (1918)

Rainey Estate GC
(Lilliput Links)
Huntington, NY

Ridgewood CC
(27 holes)
Paramus, NJ 1929

Rochester G&CC
Rochester, MN (1925)

Rockaway HC
Cedarhurst, NY 1925

Rock Hill CC
(9 holes)
Rock Hill, SC

Rockwood Hall CC
Tarrytown, NY (Extinct)

San Francisco GC
San Francisco, CA (1918) [1915]

Sands Point GC
Sands Point, NY (1928)

Saxon Woods
Scarsdale, NY (1930)

Scarboro-On-Hudson
(9 holes)


Scarsdale GC
Hartsdale, NY (1923)

Shackamaxon CC
Westfield, NJ (1916) [1917]

Shawnee CC
Shawnee-On-Delaware, PA (1911)

Somerset Hills CC
Bernardsville, NJ (1917)

Southward Ho CC
Bayshore, NY (1923)

St. Albans CC
St. Albans, NY [1916 – Extinct]

St. Petersburg CC
(FKA Jungle Club)
St. Petersburg (Davista), FL (Extinct)

Suburban GC
Union, NJ (1922)

Sunnehanna CC
Johnstown, PA

Suneagles GC at Fort Monmouth
Eatontown, NJ 1925

Swope Memorial GC
Kansas City, MO [1934]

Tulsa CC
Tulsa, OK (1919) [1920]

Upper Montclair CC
Clifton, NJ (1920 & 1930)

Wilton Grove CC
(1916)

Winged Foot GC, West & East Courses
Mamaroneck, NY (1923)

Wyoming Valley CC
Wilkes Barre, PA

Course names are in bold typeface.
AKA – Also Known As.
FKA – Formerly Known As.
All courses are 18 hole designs unless otherwise noted.
Dates in parentheses (1920) are the dates of course openings according to the Tillinghast Association.
Dates in brackets [1920] are the dates of course openings according to Geoffrey Cornish and Ron Whitten.

      The courses that are listed above are a composite of the two listings of Tillinghast courses that are given the most credence. One is from the book, The Golf Course , by Geoffrey Cornish and Ron Whitten. The other is from the Tillinghast Association web-site , by Rick Wolffe and Bob Trebus.
      The dates listed are the opening dates of these courses with separate references where they differ. In addition, a number of the courses do not have an opening date. This is due to confusion over the exact date or their not being known.    
      In addition, the courses that follow are a composite of the two lists of most of the courses that Tilly performed Renovations (R) or Additions (A) to, and are listed as such.


Phil_the_Author

Re:Aerial Quiz: 10 courses in 1 aerial
« Reply #14 on: August 04, 2004, 12:52:14 AM »
SPDP - and in case you were going to ask, these are the courses where he did either an addition or a renovation. It does NOT include the clubs he visited during the PGA Course Consultation Tour from 1935-37 or the work done in-line with that.

Abington Club (RA)
(FKA Old York Road CC)
Jenkintown, PA

Acacia CC (R)
Lyndhurst, OH (1936)

Aurora CC (R)
Aurora, IL (1935)

Austin CC (R)
Austin, TX (1936)

Bethpage State Park
Green Course (R)
Farmingdale, NY (1935)

Blackhawk CC (R)
Madison, WI

Bob-O-Links (RA)
Dallas, TX (1936)

Bonnie Briar CC (R&A)
Larchmont, NY (1923)

Briar Hall G&CC (R)
Briarcliff Manor, NY (1936)

Brooklawn CC (RA)
Fairfield, CT (1930) [1928]

Brookside GC (RA)
Pasadena, CA (1938)


Bryn Mawr (R)
Lincolnwood, IL (1935)

Carolina CC (R)
Raleigh, NC (1936)

CC of Fairfield (RA)
Fairfield, CT (1936)

Cedar Crest GC (RA)
Dallas, TX

Fort Douglas C (R)
Salt Lake City, UT (1936)

Fort Worth CC (RA)
Fort Worth, TX (1920)

Fox Hill CC (RA)
Exeter, PA

Forsythe CC (RA)
Winston-Salem, NC


Gadsen CC (RA)
Gadsen, AL (1936)

Galen Hall CC (RA)
Wernersville, PA

Genesee Valley (R)
Rochester, NY (1935)

Glen Ridge CC (R)
Glen Ridge, NJ (1923)

Green Briar CC (R)
St. Louis, MO (1937)

Grossinger GC (R)
Liberty, NY (1936)
Gus Wortham GC (R)
(FKA Houston CC)
Houston, TX (1936) [1933]

Hacienda CC (R)
La Habra Heights, CA

Hackensack GC (R)
Oradell, NJ

Hempstead GC (RA)
Hempstead, NY (1923)

Highland Park GC (RA)
Auburn, NY (1935)

Manakiki CC (R)
Willoughbym, OH (1936)

Manchester CC (R)
Manchester, CT (1935)

Maple Bluff CC (R)
Madison, WI (1935)

Mayfield CC (R)
South Euclid, OH (1936)

Medinah CC # 3 (R)
Medinah, IL (1936)

Melrose CC (RA)
Cheltenham, PA (1935)


Metropolis CC (RA)
White Plains, NY (1929)


CC of Mobile (R)
Mobile, AL (1936)

Monterey Bay G&CC (R)
Pebble Beach, CA (1936)

Mount Kisco CC (RA)
Mount Kisco, NY (1920)

Nakoma CC (RA)
Madison, WI (1936)

Nemacolin CC (RA)
Beallsvile, PA

Niagara Falls CC (RA)  
Lewiston, NY (1918)

North Hempstead CC (RA)
Port Washington, NY (1922)

North Hills, CC (R)
Menomonee Falls, WI (1935)

River Forest CC (R)
Elmhurst, IL (1935)

River Oaks CC (R)
Houston, TX (1936)

Roanoke CC (RA)
Roanoke, VA

Sankaty Head GC (R)
Siasconset, MA

Scarboro G &CC (RA)
Toronto, Canada (1926)

Seattle GC (R)
Seattle, WA (1936)

Siwanoy CC (R)
Bronxville, NY (1936)

Sleepy Hollow CC (RA)
Scarborough, NY (1928)

Spring Lake GC (R)
Spring Lake, NJ

San Jose CC (RA)
San Jose, CA (1937)

San Mateo GC (RA)
San Mateo, CA (1937)

St. Davids Golf Club (R)
Wayne, PA

St. Joseph CC (R)
St. Joseph, MO (1936)

Stanford University (R)
Stanford, CA (1937)

Stenton FC (RA)
Philadelphia, PA
   Claremont CC (R)
Oakland, CA (1936)


Clinton CC (R)
Clinton, IA (1937)

Conoco GC (R)
Ponce City, OK (1936)

Coronado CC (R)
Coronado, CA (1937)

Corsicana CC (R)
Corsicana, TX


Dallas CC (RA)
Dallas, TX

Denver CC (R)
Denver, CO (1936)

Druid Hills (R)
Atlanta, GA (1935)

Dramlins CC (R)
Syracuse, NY (1935)

East Orange GC (R)
Milburn, NJ (1936)

Edina CC (R)
FKA CC of Minneapolis (R) Minneapolis, MN (1936)

El Rioga CC (RA)
Tucson, AZ (1936)

Elmira CC (RA)
Elmira, NY

Essex Fells CC (R)
Essex Fells, NJ (1936)

Firecrest GC (R)
Tacoma, WA (1936)

Hillcrest CC (R)
Los Angeles, CA (1937)

Hillcrest GC (R)
St. Paul, MN (1937)

Inglewood CC (R)
Kenmore, WA (1936)

Innis Arden GC (RA)
(FKA Sound Beach)
Old Greenwich, CT

Inverness Club (R)
Toledo, OH [1930]

Irondequoit CC (R)
Rochester, NY (1935)

La Mesa CC(R)
San Diego, CA (1936)

La Cambre G&CC (RA)
Santa Barbara, CA (1936)

Lake Merced CC (RA)
Daly City, CA (1936)

Lakewood CC(R)
Lakewood, CO (1936)
Lakewood CC (R)
Long Beach, CA (1937)


Lakewood CC (RA)
Dallas, TX

Lakewood CC (R)
Long Beach, CA (1937)

Lakewood GC (RA)
St. Petersburg, FL

Los Serranos CC (R)
Chino Hills, CA (1936)

Ogden CC (R)
Ogden, UT (1936)

Oklahoma City CC (R)
Oklahoma City, OK

Omaha CC (R)
Omaha, NE (1936)

Orinda CC (R)
Orinda, CA (1937)

Pawtucket GC (R)
Pawtucket, RI (1936)

Peninsula CC (R)
(FKA Beresford CC)
San Mateo, CA (1936)

Palos Verdes GC (R)
Palos Verdes, CA (1936)


Pine Lake CC (R)
Orchard Lakes, MI (1936)

Pine Valley GC (Composite)
Clementon, NJ (1918)

Pittsburgh FC (RA)
Pittsburgh, PA

Pontousuk Lake CC (R)
Pittsfield, MA (1936)

Portage CC (R)
Akron, OH (1936)

Powelton C (R)
Newburgh, NY (1936)

Presidio GC (RA)
San Francisco, CA (1936)

Ridglen CC (R)
Fort Worth, TX (1936)

Stockdale CC (R)
Bakersfield, CA (1936)

Suburban CC
Pikesville, MD

Sunningdale CC (RA)
Scarsdale, NY

Town & Country CC (R)
St. Paul, MN (1937)

Valley CC (RA)
Conyngham, PA

Virginia CC (RA)
Long Beach, CA (1939)

Wampanoug CC (R)
West Hartford, CT (1935)

Wanango CC (RA)
Reno, PA

Wee Burn C (R)
Darien, CT (1936)

Westgate Valley CC
West Course (R)
Palos Heights, IL (1936)

Westmoreland CC (RA)
Wilmette, IL

Williamsport CC (RA)
Williamsport, PA

Wolfert’s Roost CC (RA)
Albany, NY

Wykagyl CC (RA)
New Rochelle, NY (1931)

(R) - Renovation
(A) - Addition
(RA) - Renovation and Addition.

Since a number have asked, and for those that are curious, this information comes directly from the soon-to-be released exhaustive biography of A.W. Tillinghast. The title is "Tillinghast: The Terror and the Whiffensnoozer."
     

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