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Paul Richards

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Maybe the R & A could get it right????
« on: July 21, 2004, 07:27:43 AM »
from today's Chicago Tribune:


UPSETS RAISE EQUIPMENT ISSUES AGAIN

By Ed Sherman
Tribune golf reporter

July 20, 2004, 8:15 PM CDT


Peter Dawson, executive director of the Royal&Ancient Golf Club, took great pains not to demean Todd Hamilton's victory in the British Open. He said the Illinois native was a deserving champion.

However, Dawson, responding to questions, said advances in equipment could be evening the playing field in golf, allowing for long-shot winners such as Hamilton this year and Ben Curtis in 2003.

 
 
 
Dawson disclosed that Tiger Woods and Ernie Els were among the players who approached him before the tournament asking the R&A to do something to curb the technology in the game.

The U.S. Golf Association makes the rules of golf for North America. The R&A sets them for the rest of the world. The two governing bodies do consult on standards for the game.

This isn't the first time players have voiced concern about equipment standards. Hamilton's title, though, raised the issue among the British media, many of whom seemed worried that the Open has become prone to "one-hit wonders."

"It is back to the old question about technology, the balance between the elite level and the players in the game as a whole," Dawson said. "For the first time, we are actually seeing players today at the top of their professions who are saying something needs to be done; not a huge amount, but something. I don't think that was happening 20 or 30 years ago. Clearly, we have to pay attention to this, and our equipment standards committee is doing so."

Dawson noted that when he goes to the practice tee of a British Amateur and watches the top 100 players hit balls, "it is harder to differentiate one from another."

"Larger-headed drivers are easier to hit," Dawson said. "Balls are going farther with less spin and less hooks and slices, and those things undoubtedly have made it more difficult for the top players to differentiate themselves."

Dawson, though, said the issue hasn't reached a crisis point.

"It's not a question of urgency," he said. "It's a question of getting it right. This is not something we're going to tinker with."

Dawson was effusive in his praise for Hamilton. It is hard to say technology was at the core of his victory because he mostly used irons off the tee. At times, he was 70 yards behind his playing partner, Els, who was booming drives in excess of 320 yards off the tee.

"The winner was rigorously tested by being paired with arguably the best player in the world at the moment (Els) and with Phil Mickelson breathing down his neck as well," Dawson said. "He withstood it and all the credit to him. I am sure he will be a worthy champion."




Copyright © 2004, The Chicago Tribune


"Something has to change, otherwise the never-ending arms race that benefits only a few manufacturers will continue to lead to longer courses, narrower fairways, smaller greens, more rough, more expensive rounds, and other mechanisms that will leave golf's future in doubt." -  TFOG

Paul Richards

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Re:Maybe the R & A could get it right????
« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2004, 07:29:14 AM »
>Dawson disclosed that Tiger Woods and Ernie Els were among the players who approached him before the tournament asking the R&A to do something to curb the technology in the game.


"For the first time, we are actually seeing players today at the top of their professions who are saying something needs to be done; not a huge amount, but something."


"Something has to change, otherwise the never-ending arms race that benefits only a few manufacturers will continue to lead to longer courses, narrower fairways, smaller greens, more rough, more expensive rounds, and other mechanisms that will leave golf's future in doubt." -  TFOG

Paul Richards

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Re:Maybe the R & A could get it right????
« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2004, 07:30:20 AM »
Since the USGA seems unable or unwilling  :'(
to do anything, perhaps the R & A can set the standard. ???


>"Larger-headed drivers are easier to hit," Dawson said. "Balls are going farther with less spin and less hooks and slices, and those things undoubtedly have made it more difficult for the top players to differentiate themselves."



"Something has to change, otherwise the never-ending arms race that benefits only a few manufacturers will continue to lead to longer courses, narrower fairways, smaller greens, more rough, more expensive rounds, and other mechanisms that will leave golf's future in doubt." -  TFOG

A_Clay_Man

Re:Maybe the R & A could get it right????
« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2004, 07:54:52 AM »
I guess Jack Nicklaus was never at the top of his profession? And certainly not 20-30 yrs ago.


Tiger_Bernhardt

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Re:Maybe the R & A could get it right????
« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2004, 11:26:00 AM »
I am glad to see this as well. I feel it was the equipment more than anything else that led to shivas silly post. The guys were bombing it over everything.

John_Cullum

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Re:Maybe the R & A could get it right????
« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2004, 01:18:38 PM »
You people shouldn't say the USGA (and R & A) are not doing anything about technology. It is a very slow process and they are taking it from the ground up. Rest assured they're on top of it. This year they regulated the length of tees to 4" max!!
« Last Edit: July 21, 2004, 01:20:00 PM by John Cullum »
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Tiger_Bernhardt

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Re:Maybe the R & A could get it right????
« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2004, 03:49:24 PM »
I am so pleased the tees were addressed.

Doug Siebert

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Re:Maybe the R & A could get it right????
« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2004, 08:49:39 PM »
Did they seriously limit the length of tees?  To 4"??

I've found a few tees that seem to be 3" in length, never seen longer.  Didn't know there was any advantage to be gained from a tee longer than 4"...
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Paul Richards

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Re:Maybe the R & A could get it right????
« Reply #8 on: July 23, 2004, 07:40:54 AM »
John;

>It is a very slow process and they are taking it from the ground up. Rest assured they're on top of it. This year they regulated the length of tees to 4" max!!

Excellent point. :D

I take it back - the USGA and R & A ARE really on top of the technology issue after all!   :-[ :P :'(
"Something has to change, otherwise the never-ending arms race that benefits only a few manufacturers will continue to lead to longer courses, narrower fairways, smaller greens, more rough, more expensive rounds, and other mechanisms that will leave golf's future in doubt." -  TFOG

TEPaul

Re:Maybe the R & A could get it right????
« Reply #9 on: July 23, 2004, 08:09:27 AM »
Actually the recent limitation on tee length (height) is sort of interesting. Decades and decades ago there was some dude who decided to prop his ball up on the top of a bottle or something allowing for far more teeing height. The USGA & R&A banned that years ago by disallowing teeing the ball on anything other than basically what we know as a standard golf tee. What they never did do is actually limit the length of the standard tee and consequently the height a ball could be teed. Now they have!

For your information the real reason we see so many of these longer tees around these days (althought less than 4") is because some of these drivers are so damn big with such deep faces! So they obviously felt now was the time to put a limitation on tee length (height).

And also the USGA tech department informs us that the absolute ideal launch angle for maximum distance is actually far steeper than any human being could manage but obviously they felt there was no reason to let the manufacturers see how close they could come to that ideal launch angle.

Hence the length of the golf tee was limited this year to 4" max.

ForkaB

Re:Maybe the R & A could get it right????
« Reply #10 on: July 23, 2004, 08:12:05 AM »
When the USGA/R&A bring the tee height back down to 0" we'll know they are being serious...........

TEPaul

Re:Maybe the R & A could get it right????
« Reply #11 on: July 23, 2004, 08:28:51 AM »
Anyway, perhaps the USGA wanted test the legal waters and to see how adverserial these golf manufacturers and related industries really were so they decided to roll back the length of the tee first to see if the huge tee manufacturing industry out there perhaps in concert with the lumber industry would take them to court for restraint of trade before they fanned the flames of the real B&I golf manufacturing industry by rolling back the distance the golf ball can go in the future!   ;)

TEPaul

Re:Maybe the R & A could get it right????
« Reply #12 on: July 23, 2004, 08:36:07 AM »
"When the USGA/R&A bring the tee height back down to 0" we'll know they are being serious..........."

Rich:

Would you also advocate they ban the use of little boxes of sand and jars of water on all tee boxes too?  ;)

Why don't you also advocate they ban golf bags so caddies and players will have to carry their clubs in their hands like they did 150 years ago. Maybe that way players won't be able to have 14 clubs!   ;)

Of course golf carts will need to be banned too!

Actaully, Rich, why don't you just advocate that the USGA require all American golf courses be plowed under so this country and the USGA can start all over again with the thought that maybe this time they'll get it right!

john_stiles

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Re:Maybe the R & A could get it right????
« Reply #13 on: July 23, 2004, 10:56:31 AM »
My preference is to spend millions and millions 'renovating' every course (and all your beloved classics) rather than say, limit tee height to  2 inches.

It is much easier to have other people spend millions rather then to have to think about what you might need to do.

Dawson listens to the elite golf professionals of today rather than read what Nicklaus (and others) have said and written over these many years ?

From the posting here, it appears Dawson thinks that nothing needs to be done now and it has not reached a crisis point.

Mr. Dawson and USGA need to wake and hear the sound of plastic on titanium.  

Either that or go to the USGA junior or college tournaments and look at the next wave of players using tuned equipment.