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Tommy_Naccarato

Quintero
« on: July 20, 2004, 02:10:14 PM »





~Quintero Trivia!~

Is the following pictures of the same bunker? Yes or No















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Jimmy Muratt

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Re:Quintero
« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2004, 02:22:24 PM »
Tommy,

Those bunkers are very similar, but no they are not on the same hole.  Do the two holes play as similar as they appear?

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Steve_ Shaffer

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Re:Quintero
« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2004, 02:30:17 PM »
Tommy

My wife had a hole in one on the 16th at Quintero in 2003!

I really like the par 3s and the 8th, 9th and 10th holes at Quintero.

Steve
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Jimmy Muratt

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Re:Quintero
« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2004, 02:35:26 PM »
Tommy,

Are those two similar holes 11 & 12?  I found the below aerial and they look eerily similar.  The aerial is 10, 11, & 12 starting from the left....

« Last Edit: July 20, 2004, 02:36:18 PM by Jimmy Muratt »
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Tommy_Naccarato

Re:Quintero
« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2004, 02:50:58 PM »
Quote from: Jimmy Muratt on July 20, 2004, 02:22:24 PM
Tommy,

Those bunkers are very similar, but no they are not on the same hole.  Do the two holes play as similar as they appear?



Jimmy,
Here are the two holes which the bunkers exist.

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Tommy_Naccarato

Re:Quintero
« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2004, 02:53:28 PM »
Jimmy, While trying to photo the drawing you discovered the two holes. Sorry for the late post!

Steve, I'll post a picture of the 16th later.

What par 3 out there isn't an elevated/drop-shot par 3?
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Bill_McBride

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Re:Quintero
« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2004, 02:56:11 PM »
Tommy, where is Quintero?  This will of course sound heretical, but that first photo looks like #5 Mid Ocean without the greatly elevated tee (and no shrubbery along the lakeside, which IMHO should be chopped down at Mid Ocean).  Nice looking hole!   The entire course looks interesting, sort of has that Black Mesa look except the "mesa" is more of a witch's hat!
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Tommy_Naccarato

Re:Quintero
« Reply #7 on: July 20, 2004, 02:58:14 PM »
Bill,
Quintero is in Peoria, Az., about 40-50 miles due west from Scotsdale on the Carefree Highway.
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Bill_McBride

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Re:Quintero
« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2004, 03:00:54 PM »
Public access I assume?   40 miles west of Scottsdale.  Oh great, now we'll need a helicopter to get from Apache Stronghold to Quintero!
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THuckaby2

Re:Quintero
« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2004, 03:51:45 PM »
Quote from: Bill_McBride on July 20, 2004, 03:00:54 PM
Public access I assume?   40 miles west of Scottsdale.  Oh great, now we'll need a helicopter to get from Apache Stronghold to Quintero!

No need for the 'copter just yet, Bill.  Quintero is most definitely private, or so the website says.  Of course where there's a will there's a way....

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Michael Dugger

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Re:Quintero
« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2004, 04:06:08 PM »
Of course, final judgement ought to be reserved until after one visits the course, however based on the pictures I'm not too impressed.  Looks like any old manufactured course laid out over any old piece of barren desertscape.

What do you think Tommy?  Patrick?  Jakab??
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Paul Richards

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Re:Quintero
« Reply #11 on: July 20, 2004, 04:50:57 PM »
Tommy

Nice pics.

 ;)
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Matt_Ward

Re:Quintero
« Reply #12 on: July 20, 2004, 05:48:06 PM »
Tommy:

Great pictures -- did you play the course? Any comments?

I played Quintero about three years ago and I found it to be a good course but one that didn't add much -- either to the close proximity to the desert landscape or the uniqueness of the individual holes. It simply appears like color-form type holes that are layed over and on top of the desert landscape.

Many of the bunkers are formulistic in their appearance and frankly how many downhill par-3's must one play? Quintero, if memory serves has two -- the hole over the pond is quite good but the other on the front side is simply a mailed-in been-there done-that type hole -- Tommy has provided a picture of that hole as well.

Clearly, you have to hit the ball laser like straight at the course but I have found Quintero to be a good bit overrrated and far from the likes of other desert layouts like Chirichua and Outlaw at Desert Mountain, to name just two that more fully use the desert setting to maximum linkage. When I se Quintero -- a Rees Jones layout -- be rated above and beyond another of his layouts like Olde Kinderhook in the Albany, NY area, I have to question what people are truly assessing. Maybe those who really like the course can speak to that and in that discussion highlight the positives over other specific desert layouts in the area.
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Pete Lavallee

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Re:Quintero
« Reply #13 on: July 20, 2004, 06:21:28 PM »
Those bunkers on 11 and 12 look amazingly similar to one at Santa Luz!
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Tommy_Naccarato

Re:Quintero
« Reply #14 on: July 20, 2004, 06:46:48 PM »
We will pass through the American patrols, past their sonar nets, and lay off their largest city, and listen to their rock and roll... while we conduct missile drills. It reminds me of the heady days of Sputnik and Yuri Gagarin when the world trembled at the sound of our rockets. Now they will tremble again - at the sound of our silence. --Captain Marko Ramius
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Jfaspen

Re:Quintero
« Reply #15 on: July 20, 2004, 06:58:48 PM »
Tommy, what type of camera have you been using to take those shots?

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Tommy_Naccarato

Re:Quintero
« Reply #16 on: July 20, 2004, 07:12:28 PM »
Jeff,
A Canon A70, but instead of using it on the normal point and shoot mode, I use it on the manual setting with the aperature set at its smallest (8.0) and I adjust the shudder speed from there.  Sometimes I'll open the aperature up a notch or two and then once again, do the same with the shutter speed. Its all depending on what type of light you have.

I will admit to using the Vivid setting, because by personal choice, I like the bold and contrasting colors. Say with a green grass background, it picks-up the native elements much better, and of course it makes the sky come alive. when you have the sun properly at your back.
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Jfaspen

Re:Quintero
« Reply #17 on: July 20, 2004, 07:17:05 PM »
A70, that is exciting because I am gonna get the A80 in the fall..  Plan to use it for some course shots that I eventually will try to host.

I will keep in mind your shutter settings.

jf
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Tommy_Naccarato

Re:Quintero
« Reply #18 on: July 20, 2004, 07:29:13 PM »
Jeff,
The A80 is a great camera for the price and the performance.
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Matt_Ward

Re:Quintero
« Reply #19 on: July 20, 2004, 08:06:06 PM »
Does anyone have info / knowledge of the second 18 being planned for Quintero?

I was told by a few sources that it is being postponed for a host of reasons.
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Tommy_Naccarato

Re:Quintero
« Reply #20 on: July 20, 2004, 09:31:16 PM »
Matt,
I was told that the Norman 18 will be built after the clubhouse is finished, and is being scheduled for a 2006 start.  The clubhouse is being slated to start later this year, and from the plans, as well as looking at the architecture of the main gate building, should tie-in nicely with the dark rock/iron like nature of the property.
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Matt_Ward

Re:Quintero
« Reply #21 on: July 21, 2004, 02:49:03 PM »
Tommy:

Thanks for the info -- will be interesting to see if Norman can carry on with the plus work he did at Red Sky Ranch and his layout there in Wolcott, CO.

One of the other neat things I'm hearing is the amount of interest there seems to be for more golf to be built in the Peoria area near Quintero. Plenty of golf is going forward in the Buckeye area and other points west of Phoenix.
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Tommy_Naccarato

Re:Quintero
« Reply #22 on: July 21, 2004, 03:08:53 PM »
Matt,
Looking at the routing of Highway 101, yes, this would be true.  Forrest mentioned to me that Phoenix is the 5th largest City in the US. It maybe going up even further here soon.

On a more regretful note, I should have tried to get over to Vistancia to see what was going on there. I just didn't realize how close I actually was.

The idea of putting Quintero out there was sheer brilliance. They probably got the property cheap and it laid the ground work for even more.

Once again, I choose to be silent on my review of the course--in an essence of comaraderie and good will for this website, but lets just say it isn't better then Santa Luz nor worse then Sand Pines...I think..........
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Matt_Ward

Re:Quintero
« Reply #23 on: July 21, 2004, 03:25:32 PM »
Tommy:

Say it ain't so -- you have become a "diplomat" instead of the hard charging warrior we all know and love. ;D
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Jonathan Cummings

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Re:Quintero
« Reply #24 on: July 21, 2004, 03:54:20 PM »
Steve - I got a hole-in-one at Quintero in March (5th).

Even with that accomplishment, I was underwhelmed to the point of meekness with Quintero.  There are many better courses in the Scottsdale/Carefree area.

JC
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