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Kevin_Reilly

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Re: Half Moon Bay-Opportunity Wasted?
« Reply #25 on: February 12, 2003, 05:35:57 PM »

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I never noticed it before but is the little bunker on the double-green 4th/6th in the middle of the green?

Has it always been that way?

You mean the 5th/7th?  Yes, I think it has always been that way.
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Kevin_Reilly

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Re: Half Moon Bay-Opportunity Wasted?
« Reply #26 on: February 12, 2003, 05:44:01 PM »
Mike, speaking of the 4th, here is a closeup.  I think this green might be on death's doorstep:

http://www.californiacoastline.org/cgi-bin/image.cgi?image=5826&mode=big
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"GOLF COURSES SHOULD BE ENJOYED RATHER THAN RATED" - Tom Watson

George Pazin

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Re: Half Moon Bay-Opportunity Wasted?
« Reply #27 on: February 13, 2003, 12:48:28 AM »
Richie Rich -

Still waiting for your best guess.

You like both courses. What's the relative Michelin rating?

1 star? 2?

 :)
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Big drivers and hot balls are the product of golf course design that rewards the hit one far then hit one high strategy.  Shinny showed everyone how to take care of this whole technology dilemma. - Pat Brockwell, 6/24/04

ForkaB

Re: Half Moon Bay-Opportunity Wasted?
« Reply #28 on: February 13, 2003, 01:58:35 AM »
Sorry George.  Missed your earlier post.

I give HMB-Links (or whatever they call it now) 1* and Kingsbarns 2**.  But, I've only played each one once, and I reserve the right to change my mind!

One of the many great advantages that KB had over HMB-L was that it was sited on land that used to be true linksland (before it was converted to farmland).  The developers/architects (using the great knowledge of Robert Price) just had to "discover" the humps and bumps, re-create them and wait for nature to take it's course.  HMB (and all of the California coast--including the land on which CPClies ) is not linksland, making any attempt to make a course "linksy" far more difficult, IMHO.  HMB succeeded pretty well, I think.

Slightly off topic here, but did you know that the stone bridge that takes you to the 18th green at Kingsbarns was discovered and not made?  While removing all the topsoil, the developers found the bridge, 6-feet under, in all it's 18th(?) century glory, intact, crossing what had been an underground burn which now is at the surface and guards the green!

Working late shift at the T-shirt factory tonight, George?



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D. Kilfara

Re: Half Moon Bay-Opportunity Wasted?
« Reply #29 on: February 13, 2003, 02:28:18 AM »
Just wondering: anyone have an idea of the respective construction budgets at HMB and Kingsbarns or Arcadia Bluffs? It's very easy to say, "Look what they did at Kingsbarns...why couldn't [course X] be more like it?" Well, there are any number of reasons why not every course built on dullish property - even dullish property by the sea - can be like Kingsbarns.

I've only seen the original course at HMB, so I can't comment about it, but this does seem to me to be a fundamental point to the discussion.

Cheers,
Darren
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ForkaB

Re: Half Moon Bay-Opportunity Wasted?
« Reply #30 on: February 13, 2003, 03:52:49 AM »
Good point Darren.  I assumed that to a Captain of Industry like George, money would be no object........
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George Pazin

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Re: Half Moon Bay-Opportunity Wasted?
« Reply #31 on: February 13, 2003, 12:26:26 PM »
:)

Actually, I was printing tees last night for my in laws, who left for vacation at 7 a.m. this morning. What a sucker I can be. Still, those 8 tees might put me over the top.

Anyway, I thought the whole point of linksland being used for golf was that it was unsuitable for farming.

I suppose construction budget would be germane to the question.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by 1056376800 »
Big drivers and hot balls are the product of golf course design that rewards the hit one far then hit one high strategy.  Shinny showed everyone how to take care of this whole technology dilemma. - Pat Brockwell, 6/24/04