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mike_malone

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Trees are best as a visual !!
« on: March 06, 2004, 08:00:04 PM »
 Recent discussions and research have opened my eyes to the use of trees on a golf course not for the annoying reason of knocking your ball down and leaving no recovery or forcing a single angle of play,but the more challenging and pleasurable aspects of providing backdrops,framing a hole visually,pointing out a more favorable route,or providing a target.
     There certainly are other uses that benefit the golfing experience which you may think of.But i am trying to avoid just being negative about them.It has been pointed out to me that Flynn loved trees on golf courses,but his use of them was not a simple "screw you" but a subtle addition to the golfing experience.
     How can trees be good?
« Last Edit: March 06, 2004, 08:00:33 PM by mayday_malone »
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JakaB

Re:Trees are best as a visual !!
« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2004, 08:05:30 PM »
On any given hole a tree can force you to either hit it high, low with a draw or a fade....just cause you hit it 40 yds left or right you just might deserve a little more punishment that having a bad angle to the green.   The hate of trees can be more of a lack of talent than a depth of insight.  Get over it...the tree that is.

Jonathan Cummings

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Re:Trees are best as a visual !!
« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2004, 08:15:27 PM »
A tree or grove of trees can be one of the most wonderful physical and psychological aspects of a golf hole.  Trees that choke are one thing, but tactical trees that force the player to consider options and feature trees that enhance hole esthetics are simply the stuff of good golf course architecture.  In the future these types of trees will be synthetic so we won't need to worry about their transitory nature.

JC  
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Forrest Richardson

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Re:Trees are best as a visual !!
« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2004, 08:53:40 PM »
Mayday — How often does the "knocking your ball down and leaving no recovery" scenario really happen when a ball hits a tree which is placed or left as a pseudo-hazard?

I would say that the occurence of a ball hitting a tree leaves many times more chance of recovery — percentage-based — than would a ball entering a hazard, sand or otherwise.
— Forrest Richardson, Golf Course Architect/ASGCA
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mike_malone

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Re:Trees are best as a visual !!
« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2004, 11:13:16 PM »
 Sorry! I should have not started this then watched a movie-"catch me if you can".BTW that was excellent.

   JakaB
     Why do you feel the need to be punished?Golf is supposed to be fun.
    Forrest
        Well i don't know if what you say is true,but on many golf holes trees line the fairway and prevent good golf shots from being played.Come to think of it i am not a fan of courses that have  water on every hole either.But at least in the case of water i may be able to hit a golf shot after my drop(the penalty just gets added to my score) while the endless tree lined hole is a downer.Playing from trees can also be dangerous.
      Jonathan
      I hope you are kidding about synthetic trees.


      I have said enough about why i don't like them in play.I am more intrigued by how their height,color, and depth can be used to create a look that differs from an endless sea of green.
AKA Mayday

Steve Lang

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Re:Trees are best as a visual !!
« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2004, 11:17:39 PM »
 8)

Playing in tree alleys all the time here, we have most interest in how they channel and swirl the winds in certain locales and always how they affect the ball's flight in the wind when you hit a shot above the tree tops and bring it into play..

The comfort of having an aiming tree cannot be overstated either..
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Forrest Richardson

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Re:Trees are best as a visual !!
« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2004, 11:20:28 PM »
I agree that trees are best when visually deployed. However, trees are uniquely American in their use on golf courses. This is because we (here in America) tend to have developed most of our courses inland where there were trees existing, or the landscape seemed to beg for trees based on our (American) impression of the ideal landscape.

One might view the American golf ideal as the Scots may have envisioned their linksland — here (in America) the "norm" is a hinterland course within mostly vegetative locales.
— Forrest Richardson, Golf Course Architect/ASGCA
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Jim_Kennedy

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Re:Trees are best as a visual !!
« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2004, 11:30:52 PM »
Forrest,
Didn't the use of trees in architecture begin in the Heathlands, as was suggested on a recent thread? There were some convincing posts to that effect.
"I never beat a well man in my life" - Harry Vardon

mike_malone

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Re:Trees are best as a visual !!
« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2004, 08:57:03 AM »
 Forrest
    I think you need to admit your bias on trees;it started at birth for you :D
AKA Mayday

Dunlop_White

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Re:Trees are best as a visual !!
« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2004, 09:58:33 AM »
Mayday - whether trees are best as a visual is a matter of opinion. I prefer the treeless vista and think facsinating golf  courses have a variety of both. ....Both open and framed vistas have their advantages in golf.....check out a portion of the piece I wrote below on "trees as a visual landscape".

"When assessing the length of an impending shot, your eyes can play tricks on you. How often do you feel that a marked distance does not look the yardage? Oddly enough, much of it depends on the scenery left behind the green. Backdrops of trees, for instance, can be most accommodating.

Initially, trees may direct golfers toward the target by operating as points of visual reference. During pre-shot routines, a golfer's intended ball flight can be visually connected to specific trees beyond the site-line of the pin. Ultimately, these trees aid golfers in establishing their aim and alignment. A framework of trees also gives greens a visual sense of scale and dimension that appear most comforting to the golfer's eye.

Visual Depth: Without a background of trees, however, a green can appear much like a basketball hoop without its backboard. Can you imagine? In any sport, it's quite difficult to find your range without definitive objects of reference behind the target. This boundless effect is best achieved in golf when vast expanses of continuous color and space loom beyond the hole.

Whether the panorama consists of an open body of water, a broad span of terrain, or an ambiguous skyline, golfers often lack visual orientation and must trust their sense of depth and distance in the approach shot to the hole.

As flagsticks typically appear as part of the distant horizon, even accomplished golfers are inclined to use a stronger club. Consequently, approach shots may carry the green despite all the handy yardage information available.

Higher handicappers normally have a different impression of treeless depth. They tend to approach the boundless target more timidly, and often wind up playing short of the hole. Much like a pitcher would throw weakly to home plate without the security of a backstop, the lack of visual containment behind the green can discourage higher handicappers from playing as aggressively toward the hole. After all, their worst nightmare is knocking it through the green in an unknown area of trouble.

Visual Width: The visual width of golf holes can also expose the frailties of the human eye. For instance, a green typically looks much larger than it really is when the perspective is carved through a narrow corridor of trees. Likewise, a green often appears much smaller than it actually is when positioned in an open breadth of space.

Pat Ruddy, one of Ireland's outstanding architects, explains that these delusions are enhanced when different presentations are offered in a single round. Ruddy says, "give a variety of enclosed settings in trees followed quickly by panoramic vistas over miles of countryside or sea, and the eye will fairly quiver sending the wrong information back to the command post."

Like different light settings, a golfer’s vision can adjust to any one perspective even if it's practically dark. However, if golfers move back and forth between bright and dim settings, they may lose their sense of orientation. Shifting between treed and treeless areas of play has a similar effect on a golfer’s ability to focus on sizes and distances".


mike_malone

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Re:Trees are best as a visual !!
« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2004, 03:56:26 PM »
 Dunlop
     That's good stuff,thanks.
     
     As i played today i noticed how Flynn used a stand of some 100 trees.It provided the left defense on one hole .Later it formed the backdrop for the dogleg of the parallel hole.In the first instance the play is away from the trees.In the second they cannot be reached on the tee shot.In both instances they are a visual part of the hole.
AKA Mayday

ian

Re:Trees are best as a visual !!
« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2004, 08:08:35 PM »
Trees are best as a visual............. in the fireplace

Admittedly there are trees that make holes great, but there are 100 times as many that ruin great holes.

Turf grows so well in sunlight.

Norbert P

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Re:Trees are best as a visual !!
« Reply #12 on: March 08, 2004, 01:42:08 AM »
 Tired of green?

Pinus contorta latifolia "Chief Joseph"  


This is a lodgepole pine (patented) found in the Wallowa Mountains in 1989 by a cougar hunter.  It sells retail for $60 for a 4 inch grafted sapling.  This tree you see is probably three years old.  

 
« Last Edit: March 08, 2004, 01:43:35 AM by Slag__Bandoon »
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Evan Fleisher

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Re:Trees are best as a visual !!
« Reply #13 on: March 08, 2004, 10:33:20 PM »
Paging Dr. Vostinak to the white courtesy phone...
Born Rochester, MN. Grew up Miami, FL. Live Cleveland, OH. Handicap 13.2. Have 26 & 23 year old girls and wife of 29 years. I'm a Senior Supply Chain Business Analyst for Vitamix. Diehard walker, but tolerate cart riders! Love to travel, always have my sticks with me. Mollydooker for life!

Evan Fleisher

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Re:Trees are best as a visual !!
« Reply #14 on: March 09, 2004, 10:27:33 AM »
Hey...I'm all about timing!!!  ;D
Born Rochester, MN. Grew up Miami, FL. Live Cleveland, OH. Handicap 13.2. Have 26 & 23 year old girls and wife of 29 years. I'm a Senior Supply Chain Business Analyst for Vitamix. Diehard walker, but tolerate cart riders! Love to travel, always have my sticks with me. Mollydooker for life!

A_Clay_Man

Re:Trees are best as a visual !!
« Reply #15 on: March 09, 2004, 10:31:58 AM »
Large speciamen trees guide the golfer at The Preserve , east of Carmel.

Using trees as visual breaks from surrounding eyesores is another positive use.

The best use of back drop trees, occurs on the 11th at Pajaro Valley. A stand of Pines have no effect on the playing of the hole, other than as a soothing visual.

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