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Patrick_Mucci

NGLA--Revisited
« Reply #25 on: June 29, 2001, 08:42:00 PM »
Redanman,

While ones tee ball can roll, downwind, near the opening to the left, the carry over the front bunker complex, onto the green, is a heroic feat.  Until Robert Floyd, I had never heard of anyone accomplishing this.


Paul Perrella

  • Karma: +0/-0
NGLA--Revisited
« Reply #26 on: June 29, 2001, 10:10:00 AM »

Patrick & Redanman,

  Just FYI I saw Tiger hit a 1 iron into the greenside bunker on #1 and a 3 iron onto the green at #2. I myself have also come pretty close to #17 on my tee shot so technology certainly is changing the game.
  I should mention that these facts in no way make the NGLA experience less than fantastic. It is the most enjoyable course I have ever played and only wish that everyone on this site had an opportunity to play there.
Patrick,
 I have been on parts of #1 green where if I was there in 1 I would still be happy with par. I couldn't agree with you more about it being the scariest 1st green in golf.
    Paul  


Charles Phillips

NGLA--Revisited
« Reply #27 on: June 29, 2001, 10:11:00 AM »
RedanMan-

Regarding the 2nd hole, I was told that Tiger Woods drove the green with a 3 iron during his tour of the course in '95 -- and that's back when he was just a scrawny teenager!


Charles Phillips

NGLA--Revisited
« Reply #28 on: June 29, 2001, 10:17:00 AM »
Whoops, didn't see Paul's post (did we do it at the same time?).  Sorry for the repetition...

Mike Ventola

NGLA--Revisited
« Reply #29 on: June 29, 2001, 10:32:00 AM »
 

Just a few pictures that bring back great memories of last fall..

TEPaul

NGLA--Revisited
« Reply #30 on: June 29, 2001, 01:30:00 PM »
George Bahto:

Thanks so much for the info on the early evolution of NGLA and the history of the clubhouse(s).

As you know I'm fascinated by the evolution of clubs and particularly the evolution of the design of golf courses.

It did seem logical to me that the present clubhouse had to come after #1 was designed and built since I can't see MacDonald designing an option for driving #1 almost over the entrance circle. But I can see him compromising (or intensifying) that option to accomodate such a clubhouse as that! I do like the fact that the entrance road down by the parking lot is quite close to #1 green. I think that very much intensifies even a quality shot at the green.

I'm also interested in the early reversing of the nines. I feel like you that the course would play so great with #10 as #1 and #1 as #10 but for a different reason. GeoffShac and I were talking a while ago about the added interest of psychology of Riviera's #10 with that position in the routing. So many players seem to total up their front nine and feel that they instantly have to make up ground by going right at that hole. I've seen the ultra long but usually fairly conservative Davis Love do this without success more times than it seems he ordinarily would if the hole was in another position.

With #1 NGLA as #10 I think it would benefit from the identical pyschological temption as Riviera's #10.

On the other hand it is a completely unique and world class opening hole! I can't really think of anything like it-with the myriad of options to start a round.

It is interesting to me as an opener in match play because it does give you the opportunity to see what kind of player you're up against if you don't happen to know him. Is there an opening hole that has a greater play spectrum between match and medal as well??

One of my opponents this last week drove the ball onto the front right of the green. The pin however was in the bowl on the back left. It seemed from where he drove it that there was virutally no way for him to two putt without making a fair sized second putt. He hit his first putt to the back fringe and did 3 putt. We halved the hole in pars with me hitting an iron from the tee for an approach of about 90yds.

When we were done the hole I putt a ball on the ridge forming the back bowl and the ball without any help filtered to about 12 feet left and long of the pin. You have to almost stop the ball on that ridge and if he left it short of the ridge the ball might have filtered God knows where and he would probably be looking at a 4 putt.

For those who play the hole as I did with an iron from the tee and an approach from the middle of the fairway to a pin in that back bowl, I can tell you that the blind line to that pin is the left side or the tree behind the green (the tree is visible). That shot however is one of the all time "feel" shots since you can see none of the green and of course you can't see where the ball lands on the green. I have been told by those watching though that the effective landing area for the pin in that back bowl is a distance margin of about 2 yards and also an accuracy margin of about 2 yards.

It is some kind of hole-certainly one of the very coolest openers in the world.


Patrick_Mucci

NGLA--Revisited
« Reply #31 on: June 29, 2001, 05:45:00 PM »
TEPaul,

When the pin on # 1 is in the back left bowl,
As Yogi said, you can't get there from here !

I defy anyone, when the greens are at pace, to get their ball into that bowl with their second shot, unless, you're in the left greenside bunker nearest the bowl.


TEPaul

NGLA--Revisited
« Reply #32 on: June 30, 2001, 12:57:00 AM »
Patrick:

The greens were definitely at pace last weekend at NGLA and on Sunday I played #1 three times.

My first opponent drove the green and put his first putt into the collar behind the pin and two putted from there for par. I hit my approach from about 95yds into the mid-left bowl and hit a great first putt into the back bowl and made par.

In the afternoon my opponent hit a drive about 20yds from the green and pitched into the collar in the bowl behind the pin and two putted for par. I had 95yds to the middle, about 105yds to the back bowl and put a wedge into the collar in the back bowl next to my opponent and made par.

I was 1up on my afternoon opponent on #17 tee. He hit it a foot from the hole for a gimme birdie. On #18 he made a fifty foot putt for birdie and I made a twenty foot putt for birdie.

We went back to #1 in overtime and he drove it to about 20yds from the green again. I again had the same shot I had earlier from almost the same place and put my ball into the collar in the back bowl to the left of the pin. He again put his approach into the collar behind the pin. I missed my birdie putt and he made his birdie to win the match.


Patrick_Mucci

NGLA--Revisited
« Reply #33 on: June 30, 2001, 06:16:00 AM »
TEPaul,

Sounds like a great match.  A few years ago I had a similar match in the semi-finals of the Championship flight.  I was one up playing # 18, my opponent birdied # 18, on
# 1 I hit it six feet, He miss hit his second, just cleared the right hand bunker, the ball bumped and ran agonizingly, until it stopped 3 feet from the hole.  I missed, he made, hello LIE.

Just getting the ball to the fringe of the back left bowl is an accomplishment, as for the green, as Yogi said, you can't get there from here.


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