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Tim Taylor

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Track or Tract
« on: March 05, 2003, 01:48:33 PM »
A buddy and I are having a disagreement. When referring to a completed golf course, not a piece of land on which to build a golf course.

One of us thinks track is right, because you go around and end up back at the club house like a race track. The other thinks it's tract in deferrence to terminology before the course was placed upon said land.

Which is it?

TimT
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Jeff_Lewis

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Re: Track or Tract
« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2003, 01:54:50 PM »
track
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John_Conley

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Re: Track or Tract
« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2003, 01:56:26 PM »
Tim:

I think you've got it.  At least I'm making the same mistake if you're wrong.

Tract - as in "tract of land" - may be the site for the course.

Track - similar to a running or driving track - would be the route you take to get from #1 to #18.

If you said, that is a great tract, aren't you saying something about the site?
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Bob_Huntley

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Re: Track or Tract
« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2003, 02:14:12 PM »
Using the word track to describe a golf course is as bad as wearing one's hat on backward or indoors. It's jarring.
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Scott_Burroughs

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Re: Track or Tract
« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2003, 02:32:32 PM »
"We live in a bloody swamp. We need all the land we can get."

"But I don't like her."

"Don't like her? What's wrong with her? She's beautiful, she's rich, she's got huge... tracts of land."
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D. Kilfara

Re: Track or Tract
« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2003, 02:36:35 PM »

Quote
"We live in a bloody swamp. We need all the land we can get."

"But I don't like her."

"Don't like her? What's wrong with her? She's beautiful, she's rich, she's got huge... tracts of land."

"I know. But, I want the girl that I marry to have a certain, special something..."

"No, no, no, you're not going into a song while I'm here."

:)

I can't disagree with Mr. Huntley's sage musings, but if you're talking about "playing a great track," in the vernacular, then it's definitely "track".

Cheers,
Darren
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ed_getka

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Re: Track or Tract
« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2003, 03:29:39 PM »
Its track. As Bob points out it is not the most elegant phrasing for a golf course. Other than golf course, or links, etc.. I probably use layout as a generic descriptive word (which isn't very elegant either now that I think about it) :-/
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"Perimeter-weighted fairways", The best euphemism for containment mounding I've ever heard.

Joe Hancock

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Re: Track or Tract
« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2003, 06:01:12 PM »
Ed,

So which is it, in reference to a poorly conditioned golf course? A goat track, or a goat layout?

Joe
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ed_getka

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Re: Track or Tract
« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2003, 06:20:04 PM »
Joe,
 Now you are all mixed up. ;) A goat track isn't a poorly conditioned course, its a hilly course! :)
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"Perimeter-weighted fairways", The best euphemism for containment mounding I've ever heard.

mike_beene

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Re: Track or Tract
« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2003, 09:09:43 PM »
It's late:"Now I lie me down to sleep"
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Dan Kelly

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Re: Track or Tract
« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2003, 09:53:36 PM »

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Using the word track to describe a golf course is as bad as wearing one's hat on backward or indoors. It's jarring.

Bob --

You'll enjoy this:

On the 1st of June in 1992, a guy calling himself "Bright Spot of South St. Paul" had this to say in my column:

"Actually, the wearing of baseball caps is reflective of the American male right now. The baseball cap has always been a symbol of boyhood - and especially wearing it backwards, the universal symbol of a fool. Which is typical of the American male nowadays: He's a person who doesn't want to grow up, and when he wears his cap backwards, he's saying: `I'm a fool. Don't bother me. Leave me alone.' ''

Mr. Shefchik and I have enjoyed that observation, on golf courses hither and yon, for almost 11 years now: "the universal symbol of a fool." Indeed.

No offense to anyone here who wears a baseball cap, backward!
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ForkaB

Re: Track or Tract
« Reply #11 on: March 06, 2003, 02:54:05 AM »
Bob

You're getting crusty.  Time for some mental emollient.

The last baseball cap I bought was at NGLA, and the nice people in the pro shop sold me the one without the neato dutch golfer(?) logo (I was a stupid on that day...).  It is so cachetless that might just wear it backwards from now on to show my solidarity with all those generation X'ers who, having no war to protest, took to satirizing the Great American Game (baseball, of course, not golf....).

"Track" is very proper, particularly in a post-retro deconstructive way when in discussion of the finer points of golf course architecture with ladies who lunch.
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Bob_Huntley

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Re: Track or Tract
« Reply #12 on: March 06, 2003, 09:31:42 AM »
Dan Kelly.

Thanks for that. We have a chap that writes an advice column in our local newspaper, I'm not sure if it is a syndicated item or not. He was giving advice to a young lady who had asked the question, "What sort of man should I look for for in a mature relationship?" His reply was short and sweet but the three gems were:

1. Never date a man who wears his hat on backwards after   the age of 16.

2. Wears his hat indoors at any time.

3. Whose car tires are taller than he is.


Rich.

Not crusty, just a curmudgeon.
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A_Clay_Man

Re: Track or Tract
« Reply #13 on: March 06, 2003, 09:38:27 AM »
JH and Ed- That's a dog track! And being the owner of a rescued greyhound, I find that it is insulting to the dogs.
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Tim Taylor

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Re: Track or Tract
« Reply #14 on: March 06, 2003, 02:56:17 PM »
Ok, now that the results are in and TRACK is the victor, I can honestly say that I said track and my buddy said tract.

Yessss, I win.

TimT
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Jeff_Lewis

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Re: Track or Tract
« Reply #15 on: March 06, 2003, 02:56:28 PM »
So then, a dog track is just a course that one does not like?
And a goat track is very hilly?
Is a cow pasture necessarily flat or just a course that is generally uninteresting?
And what does one call Pennard, which is extremely interesting, but has horses running around all over the place?
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Joe Hancock

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Re: Track or Tract
« Reply #16 on: March 06, 2003, 03:18:02 PM »
Adam,

What manner of testing did you use to determine that "dog track" was offensive to the dogs? Was it a scientific and statistically relevant testing, or an opinion, and perhaps biased method of testing?

Don't trust the dogs, they lie.....or is it lay?

Joe

P.S. Mr. Mahaffey, you've seen my place, it's as flat as they ever come...what the heck do you call it?
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Don_Mahaffey

Re: Track or Tract
« Reply #17 on: March 06, 2003, 08:10:01 PM »
Joe,
Well...it's darn sure not a "dog track" as it's been in good condition when I've been there...it's not hilly so it can't be a "goat track"....."flat track" sounds like some sort of racing...if I was you, I'd call it the "my track"...Don
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Joe Hancock

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Re: Track or Tract
« Reply #18 on: March 06, 2003, 08:21:37 PM »
Don,

My track? Sounds a bit personal pronoun heavy, but until we work out these complicated course descriptions, it'll have to work! BTW, is that what you call your course?

Joe
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"People aren't picking a side of the fairway off a tee because of a randomly internally contoured green ."  jeffwarne, February 24, 2017

ed_getka

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Re: Track or Tract
« Reply #19 on: March 06, 2003, 09:07:33 PM »
Just to add to your regional golf vocabulary, I recently learned that they call the fairway plugs "turds" at Crystal Downs. That was the first time I had heard that one.
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"Perimeter-weighted fairways", The best euphemism for containment mounding I've ever heard.

ForkaB

Re: Track or Tract
« Reply #20 on: March 07, 2003, 01:19:58 AM »
redanman

One knows that a relationship is going South when your partner begins to confuse "lying" with "laying."
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ForkaB

Re: Track or Tract
« Reply #21 on: March 07, 2003, 06:43:00 AM »
redamna

If you think I'm going to debate redneck entymology with a Gator, you must think I just fell of of a turnip truck!  However, as you are not only a Gator but a MD, you might be interested to know that in the UK the equivalent of "going south" is "going pear-shaped."  Any idea what this means?  I don't  Honestly....
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A_Clay_Man

Re: Track or Tract
« Reply #22 on: March 07, 2003, 07:00:17 AM »
JH-Of course it's opinion but some people insult stupid people when they call certain people stupid* *("A Fish Called Wanda").
 I think the best reaction to the term Dog track was in reference to Palm Springs CC. My friend Michael still chuckles at the experiences we had there ten years ago.

Sorta off topic but I did see one of the saddest things yesterday. After finishing nine there was some young kids walking back to the parking lot cussing out the new GM. The comments were along the lines of how well his parents had named him, Dick. They had just been refused entry, gratis. Obviously they had always not paid in the past.
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Forrest Richardson

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Re: Track or Tract
« Reply #23 on: March 07, 2003, 09:47:10 PM »
track - slang for a golf course
tract - a parcel of land formally defined
trak - American (TM) of "track"
tracke - Old English slang for "track"
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Robert_Walker

Re: Track or Tract
« Reply #24 on: March 09, 2003, 08:44:45 PM »
Doral is a good "track" on a large tract of land in Miami. There are a lot of sand traps there. I saw Scott Hoch putt his pellet into the jar after he hit the pin.
I prefer hole, ball, flagstick, course, and bunker, but have no problem with tract.
I know someone at the USGA who says jar, but gets on people for saying cup, trap and pin. The same person also says that Seminole is a great track.
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