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Jason Topp

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Bring Back the Bench!
« on: May 23, 2023, 12:17:03 PM »
I am increadingly finding courses seeking a very clean look that eliminates benches, tee signs and ballwashers.    It is nice to take a seat on a par three, have a drink of water and empty the rocks out of my shoes from the last visit to the desert, unmowed areas of a course or a bunker.


I am pro bench!
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MCirba

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Re: Bring Back the Bench!
« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2023, 12:25:58 PM »
Benches are a hallmark of a civilized society.
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Matt_Cohn

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Re: Bring Back the Bench!
« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2023, 12:38:30 PM »
When a course has 5-6 tees, which one(s) get a bench?
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MCirba

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Re: Bring Back the Bench!
« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2023, 12:55:13 PM »
Quote from: Matt_Cohn on May 23, 2023, 12:38:30 PM
When a course has 5-6 tees, which one(s) get a bench?


Courses with 5-6 tees are not hallmarks of a civilized society.   ;)
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Charlie Goerges

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Re: Bring Back the Bench!
« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2023, 01:16:33 PM »
Quote from: Matt_Cohn on May 23, 2023, 12:38:30 PM
When a course has 5-6 tees, which one(s) get a bench?




Is there a reason all of them couldn't have a bench?
« Last Edit: May 23, 2023, 01:28:22 PM by Charlie Goerges »
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Tyler Kearns

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Re: Bring Back the Bench!
« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2023, 01:24:47 PM »
Quote from: Matt_Cohn on May 23, 2023, 12:38:30 PM
When a course has 5-6 tees, which one(s) get a bench?


My home course has 4 tee markers and usually 3-4 tees per hole, when I was green chairman we capped the number of benches to 18, and tried to give every tee a bench every 3-4 holes.


Tyler
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Matt Schoolfield

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Re: Bring Back the Bench!
« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2023, 01:53:10 PM »
A pro-bench mensch!
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Bill Crane

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Re: Bring Back the Bench!
« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2023, 01:58:42 PM »
Benches might imply mostly CARTS, since the players would have their bench with them.
True walkers really want to sit down every now and them, and the next tee is the perfect place.
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Dan_Callahan

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Re: Bring Back the Bench!
« Reply #8 on: May 23, 2023, 01:58:51 PM »
Benches encourage slow play. Be gone, relaxation stations!
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Bernie Bell

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Re: Bring Back the Bench!
« Reply #9 on: May 23, 2023, 02:00:58 PM »
I respectfully dissent.  To me, benches mean waiting.  I prefer not waiting.  Less is more.
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MCirba

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Re: Bring Back the Bench!
« Reply #10 on: May 23, 2023, 02:28:17 PM »
Sometimes waiting is inevitable, respectfully. 


It's the thought that counts.
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Tim Leahy

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Re: Bring Back the Bench!
« Reply #11 on: May 23, 2023, 02:38:28 PM »
If you really need a bench use a cart or the soft grass. 8)
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Marty Bonnar

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Re: Bring Back the Bench!
« Reply #12 on: May 23, 2023, 02:49:05 PM »
If it’s good enough for the Eden hole…
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Charlie Goerges

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Re: Bring Back the Bench!
« Reply #13 on: May 23, 2023, 03:02:20 PM »
Quote from: Bernie Bell on May 23, 2023, 02:00:58 PM
I respectfully dissent.  To me, benches mean waiting.  I prefer not waiting.  Less is more.




That's like saying "I don't like being in car crashes, therefore I'm against airbags". When you need a bench, it's nice to have it there.
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Carl Rogers

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Re: Bring Back the Bench!
« Reply #14 on: May 23, 2023, 03:37:33 PM »
Quote from: Bill Crane on May 23, 2023, 01:58:42 PM
Benches might imply mostly CARTS, since the players would have their bench with them.
True walkers really want to sit down every now and them, and the next tee is the perfect place.
+1
I found the bench at Mid Pines 16 tee very well placed.
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MCirba

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Re: Bring Back the Bench!
« Reply #15 on: May 23, 2023, 04:53:34 PM »
Martin Bonnar for the win!   ;D


btw.. can you imagine 5 or 6 tees on that hole?
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Jason Topp

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Re: Bring Back the Bench!
« Reply #16 on: May 23, 2023, 05:07:56 PM »
Quote from: Matt_Cohn on May 23, 2023, 12:38:30 PM
When a course has 5-6 tees, which one(s) get a bench?


90% of the play will be from one or two of those tees.  Put the bench there.  Those playing forward can walk forward while the green is clearing, those who play further back have earned their punishment.
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Jason Topp

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Re: Bring Back the Bench!
« Reply #17 on: May 23, 2023, 05:09:20 PM »
Quote from: Tim Leahy on May 23, 2023, 02:38:28 PM
If you really need a bench use a cart or the soft grass. 8)


I have enough problems keeping the debris off my pants as it is.  Walking is the one way for me to effectively get a reasonable amount of activity on my apple watch which keeps track of these things.
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Kalen Braley

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Re: Bring Back the Bench!
« Reply #18 on: May 23, 2023, 05:11:49 PM »
Seems like long par 3s and short par 5s are the best places for em, given the usual wait.  And being on your feet for 4+ hours straight is one thing at 30 and an entirely different thing at 50+
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Tommy Williamsen

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Re: Bring Back the Bench!
« Reply #19 on: May 23, 2023, 05:22:41 PM »
The benches at Baltusrol Lower were removed after the last renovation, along with garbage cans, to get a "cleaner look." Folks miss them, especially the benches.
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Tim Martin

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Re: Bring Back the Bench!
« Reply #20 on: May 23, 2023, 05:47:27 PM »
Love the bench. Bring it back!
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Tom_Doak

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Re: Bring Back the Bench!
« Reply #21 on: May 23, 2023, 06:37:31 PM »
Jason:


This is an interesting topic.  Thanks for bringing it up.


Likewise, my client at Stonewall, Jack May, took me aside at the opening of the North course and said, "I'm going to plant a few shade trees near the tees on some of these holes.  When you get older, you'll appreciate the shade."  He was right.  I have since pointed out to several clients that we need to do something for shade over the course of 18 holes.
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Cal Seifert

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Re: Bring Back the Bench!
« Reply #22 on: May 23, 2023, 06:56:05 PM »
I like the bench behind the first tee at Bethpage Black. Sit around and watch others hit while waiting for your time to come.
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Pete_Pittock

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Re: Bring Back the Bench!
« Reply #23 on: May 23, 2023, 07:01:55 PM »
Priced benches about 10 years ago and there were no cheap options unless you built 'em yourself. In the summertime they are better with shade trees.  Also nice if they are after a climbed hill. A minor victory present. Best of those is at Pacific Dunes 14.
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Tim Martin

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Re: Bring Back the Bench!
« Reply #24 on: May 23, 2023, 07:14:33 PM »
Yale’s benches have not reappeared since being removed during Covid. I think it’s a still a consideration at a number of clubs along with the “clutter” factor.
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