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Joe Bausch

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say hello to a wonderful new muni for the Philly area
« on: April 27, 2009, 09:40:03 PM »
And it has value:  39 bucks weekday, 49 on weekends.

Where is it?  Avondale
Name?  Inniscrone.

Yes, this formerly private course that had been run the last few years by Forewinds Hospitality (I think) was for sale and I thought  
it might be going away.  Since last golf season, there was no update to the web page and no answer from the golf shop.  So I took a trip  
out there last Friday expecting to find that perhaps the course had been abandoned.

But I was thrilled to find a handful of cars in the lot and it was open for business.  It had just reopened the day before as I'm  
assuming the sale of the course to the township was finalized.  Clearly it was being maintained in the interim and it was in  
respectable condition.  Some of the tee boxes need some work, but otherwise all is fine.

Inniscrone has been covered here many times, and Ran has profiled it here:

http://www.golfclubatlas.com/inniscrone1.html

I think reading his review where many holes are discussed, and coming back to the pics below, or better yet my photo album where 240+  
photos are shown (1100 pixels wide, 16x9 format) here:

http://www.myphillygolf.com/uploads/bausch/Inniscrone/index.html

would be informative.

Ok, let's get started.  Here's the routing, which is a bit interesting:



And another version of the routing:



EDIT:  and each hole now has a diagram as well as being reformatted to 800 pix due to this new web site policy:



#1:  a par 4 where you quickly find out how well bunkers are placed at Inniscrone.

Tee view:



Short of the green which has a small false front:



And from over the green:





#2:  par 4 with a semi-blind tee shot.  Left in the FW is the better play, altough it isn't obvious from the tee.

Tee view:



A large bunker runs up the right side:



A view from just long and left of the green:



Now you must cross a local road to get to holes 3-7.  It isn't a long walk at all to get to a neat little par 4.



#3:  shortish, slightly downhill par 4 with a few options off the tee, including attempting to drive it to the front left part of the green with a very high and deep draw.

From the tee:



From where a safer tee shot would be, after ~200 yard drive:



A longer, more aggressive line off the tee being more right, gives a view like this to a green that is probably slightly running away from you at this angle:



From behind the rear bunkers:





#4:  gosh what a tough par 4 this is, with the championship tee box way off at a different angle.

Back tee view:



Regular tees view, with the safe tee shot to stay on the top level by the 150 pole:



If you wish, a drive can be hit over the hill and hope it stops in a little valley to give this view from about 125 yards out, to a green that really slopes significantly to the left, some people perhaps thinking a bit too much:



A view from over the green:



Next up is a par 3 that feels a little out of place as after teeing off you walk down to the green, then traverse back up the hill to get to the next tee (I know there is a good story about why this hole resulted b/c of some environmental restrictions, but I forget exactly what was originally planned here, although I'm guessing it was some type of very uphill and long par 3).



#5:  a short 'drop-shot' par 3 of about 100 yards.

The view from the middle tee box:



This hole used to have a group of bunkers short and left-ish of the green, and one over the green, but those were removed unfortunately a couple of years ago (the Google Earth image above for the routing still shows them).

Here is a pic that shows where to the left these group of bunkers used to be:



This is not the easiest green to hit although for most is just a SW.  The last photo shows a little bump right at the front of the green that must be avoided or it can shoot your ball over the green, which is a tough up and down.  This next photo from the left of the green shows the bump as well, but it is slightly harder to see.  You have to be content with aiming for the flat part of each part of the green depending upon where the flag is located.  And the left flag leaves less room for error.



After playing the 5th one must hike back up the hill to get to the next tee, not far from the tee you just played.



#6:  a tough par 4 with, according to Ran's profile, one of the neatest green complexes on the course.  Most people not into golf architecture would not choose this one, but I do think it is very good.

The view from the tee of this gradually uphill hole that moves a little to the right (the preferred line off the tee is a bit left so to not deal with the trees in right rough):



A really long tee ball in the left part of the FW leaves a view sort of like this one (I just love the bunker like that one to the left):



It is not unusual to have a long iron or more into this green and it sets up for a shot that can bounce on as this pic on the way to the par 5 7th shows:





#7:  the par 5 7th is a hole that your better players are probably going to view as a birdie hole.  The hole will improve over time, IMO, as the the trees to the right off the tree grow and prevent/impede those tee shots playing the dogleg right hole as the crow flies, which leads to people in the 3rd FW or short of that green getting beaned.  

Here is the view from the tee, with the preferred line, IMO, being right down the center of the pic, but you can see the 'shortcut' of the 3rd FW to the right (it really isn't a great shortcut for most as a gigantic bunker short and right of the green comes even more into play):



A good drive lands just to the left of this bunker in the right of the photo (I have been in that one many times!)



If you are playing to reach the green in regulation, a short third like the following is preferred from the left part of the FW to a large green with one very small and deep greenside bunker:



Now you've finished the holes on this side of the street and it is time to crossover (a bit of a walk, but not too bad) and go past the 2nd green to the tee for the par 3 8th:



#8:  I guess this could be called some Redan green derivative by Gil Hanse.  It plays a very long 230 yards from the tips, and still a healthy 170 yards or so from the next tee box up.  You can play right of the pin really if you wish, b/c the green complex is very receptive for a draw from the right handed player landing right of the green, kicking left, and tumbling down to the flag.

The view from the tee:



From well right of the green, this photo shows the mowed down area where you can bounce a shot onto the green:



And here's a pic from just over the green showing the slope at the right side of the green (as well as the 'junk' that must be carried on the tee shot):





Now we move onto a very challenging par 4 9th where a precise line off the tee is important if you value being able to see the pin on your second shot.

Here's the view from the middle tees where the green is visible, as well as the multitude of crossing bunkers about 280 yards off the tee (you want to be in the far left part of the FW here):



If you are successful in being in the left part of the FW, you'll be able to see the flag:



If you are middle or in the right part of the FW, no view of the flagstick is possible, but there is a flagpole behind the green to make lining up the shot less intimidating:



On the 2nd shot, the terrain heaves heavily to the left so a draw to the right of the green can bounce right on:



Did you like the front nine?  I know I do.  And the back is even better, IMO, although it begins with a par 4 that is very polarizing.  I'll post the back nine pics and commentary soon....

« Last Edit: April 11, 2011, 11:18:42 AM by Joe Bausch »
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Jason McNamara

Re: say hello to a wonderful new muni for the Philly area
« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2009, 11:33:15 PM »
Numbers 3 & 4 look great!  What is the length on #3?  (Hang on, just checked Ran's write-up... 315 yds.  Cool hole.)

Thanks for the pics.

Joe Bausch

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Re: say hello to a wonderful new muni for the Philly area
« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2009, 06:55:33 AM »
The back nine.



10:  the controversial 10th is a bunkerless par 4 with a tee shot less than driver that tumbles down a hill leaving a shot over junk.

Tee view:



There are not many spots to get a real flat lie for the 2nd here, but there are some.  A good tee shot will leave this view for the 2nd, from about 150 yards out:



Here's a view back up the FW:



And from over the green:





11:  this is a very scenic short par 3.

The view from the middle tee:



From short of the green:



From the hill over the green on the way to the next tee:





12: a very long par 4.

The view from the tee, where I think the desired line is a bit left, but it must be long or it will tumble left in the FW leaving no view of the green.



A shorter drive that ends up left leaves this view:



A good drive allows a view of a large, pretty flat green around the bunkers that pinch in from the right about 125 yards out:



A large, deep bunker exists left of the green as this pic from long and left looking back shows:





13:  one of my favorite holes is this dogleg left par 4.

The view from the tee (yep, it looks like houses are going in!), which looks very tight but there is more room than it appears long and right in FW, which will leave a good angle in for a short iron to a very small green:



This pic is from a perfect long drive, looking back in the vicinity of the tees, showing a sunken road that comes into play and juts out at an angle from the left:



A good view from the 2nd to another bunkerless green is here:



From the end of the FW leaves this view to the green, with a 300+ year old white oak tree nearby:



This view from over the green shows a two-tiered, but very small green.  I love this pin on the back tier that is quite hard to get to, but I was fortunate this day.



Just on the other side on the Inniscrone oak tree is the 14th tee, a downhill par 3.



The view from the tee, with the bunkers left dominating the view, but the real trouble here isn't really visible from the tee, that being a very large grass bunker just right of the green:



Here's a view from just short and right of the green, partially showing the trouble right:



From way over the green:





15:  this par 5 is my favorite on the course.  That bunker in the tee view can easily be carried.  There is a bit of turbo boost to a long drive carried just to the right of it, which will then run sometimes another 80 yards or so end up left in the FW.



A long, correctly placed drive can leave a view like this for the 2nd where the shot isn't as difficult as it might appear.  Those bunkers to the left are maybe 40 yards short of the green.  The place is to just carry them, and the terrain runs downhill to the green which slopes from front to back:



This view better shows what I was saying above:



There's this long, sloping runway to tumble a shot onto the green if you wish:



And a view looking back up the rise from just left of the green:





And now on to a hole perhaps as controversial as the 10th!  And this par 4 looks a bit different with some trees gone left due to the upcoming housing development.  I've put up many pics for this hole as it is a very unusual and I'm not quite sure I've played anything even remotely resembling it in anywhere else.

The view from the tees, where it is a split-level FW with the left half lower than the right.  The preferred line is left.



The right FW isn't really easily reached, which is good, b/c it really isn't a prudent play.  A drive here, unless it is monster long, leaves no or an obstructed view of the pin:



From the beginning of the left FW is this view, showing better the two tiers:



From 150 yards out in the left FW leaves a view of most of the green:



A 2nd shot that is chunked or topped does not end up good:



Here's a view looking back from the end of the left FW:



And this from just over the green:



And from just right of the green looking back:



From the front of the green looking back to show both fairways:



And one last view from the front of the green:





After playing the tough 16th, you move onto a tight, long, even harder par 4 17th.

The view from the tee where junk is carried off the tee and extends all the way left down the hole:



A good tee shot here, many hitting a FW metal off the tee, leaves a view like this in:



The further right you are in the FW, the more trees up the right come into play to this semi-punchbowl style green:



And a view from the back of the green:





The closing hole feels like a piece of cake after 16 and 17!  The view from the elevated tee of this par 4 with another tee shot over junk to a FW that climbs, up to some diagonally places cross-bunkers, short of the green:



A short drive leaves a semi-blind second shot:



An aggressive line is longer and right to leave this view:



I hope you enjoyed the tour and I hope the Philly guys continue to give this play some love.  ;)

I'm optimistic they are priced correctly now and hopefully will be successful as a muni.  This place has so much neat architecture, some might say a bit over the top in a few places, but I love it.  I really think time will treat Inniscrone very well and the reputation will continue to improve.

« Last Edit: April 11, 2011, 12:15:16 PM by Joe Bausch »
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mike_malone

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Re: say hello to a wonderful new muni for the Philly area
« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2009, 09:34:12 AM »
 #15 is as good a par five as I have ever played anywhere. The size, shape, and angle of the green is so
appropriate for a three shotter.
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D_Malley

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Re: say hello to a wonderful new muni for the Philly area
« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2009, 09:49:54 AM »
And now on to a hole perhaps as controversial as the 10th!  And this par 4 looks a bit different with some trees gone left due to the upcoming housing development.  I've put up many pics for this hole as it is a very unusual and I'm not quite sure I've played anything even remotely resembling it in anywhere else.

Joe, i think that Paxon Hollow #6 has some similar playing characteristics to #16 at Inniscrone.  you could say that PH6 does not have the right fairway option, but it really does if you play into the 7th fairway.  which BTW is the way i play the hole.

Steve_ Shaffer

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Re: say hello to a wonderful new muni for the Philly area
« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2009, 09:50:16 AM »
The township acquired the property last week and it's leased out. The website has not been changed yet to reflect the new rates that Joe mentioned above which are temporary:

www.inniscronegolfcourse.com


There will be senior rates(55+) when the new rates  go into effect. ;D
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Jim_Coleman

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Re: say hello to a wonderful new muni for the Philly area
« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2009, 10:17:20 AM »
   In this era of right wing fear that capitalism is dead in the Obama socialist/fascist era, I give you Inniscrone.  $39 to play the course.  You get exactly what you pay for - no more, and maybe only a little bit less.  Capitalism lives!!

mike_malone

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Re: say hello to a wonderful new muni for the Philly area
« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2009, 10:35:05 AM »
 Dan,

   If you took my ideas to heart for Paxon you would have a double fairway on #6. It would be awesome there!
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D_Malley

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Re: say hello to a wonderful new muni for the Philly area
« Reply #8 on: April 28, 2009, 12:01:25 PM »
mike,
that is what wagner's plan calls for on that hole

D_Malley

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Re: say hello to a wonderful new muni for the Philly area
« Reply #9 on: April 28, 2009, 12:17:00 PM »
i guess great minds must think alike.
i tried to scan the drawing for the new #6, but it is too big

Jim Nugent

Re: say hello to a wonderful new muni for the Philly area
« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2009, 12:28:51 PM »
   In this era of right wing fear that capitalism is dead in the Obama socialist/fascist era, I give you Inniscrone.  $39 to play the course.  You get exactly what you pay for - no more, and maybe only a little bit less.  Capitalism lives!!

How is that when government owns the course? 

George Pazin

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Re: say hello to a wonderful new muni for the Philly area
« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2009, 12:39:04 PM »
   In this era of right wing fear that capitalism is dead in the Obama socialist/fascist era, I give you Inniscrone.  $39 to play the course.  You get exactly what you pay for - no more, and maybe only a little bit less.  Capitalism lives!!

How is that when government owns the course? 

Like everything else these days - you change the definition of the word.

 :)
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Jerry Kluger

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Re: say hello to a wonderful new muni for the Philly area
« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2009, 01:01:25 PM »
it doesn't look like a bad drive from DC - I'd love to get together with some other GCAers if there is interest.

Steve_ Shaffer

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« Reply #13 on: April 28, 2009, 01:14:21 PM »
Jerry,

How about this Sunday for a trip to Inniscrone? I'm available. Let's get some more gca guys/gals.
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Joe Bausch

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Re: say hello to a wonderful new muni for the Philly area
« Reply #14 on: April 28, 2009, 01:18:51 PM »
it doesn't look like a bad drive from DC - I'd love to get together with some other GCAers if there is interest.

I will do my best to make any date that is set up.  If it is this Sunday, I'll attempt to clear the schedule.

And the neat little bonus of making a trip to Avondale is that there is a fabulous little authentic Mexican restaurant nearby on 41 South, and then also one of the best take-out places (Talula's Table) in Kennett Square that has the best cheeses I've ever had in this area.

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Steve_ Shaffer

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« Reply #15 on: April 28, 2009, 01:30:24 PM »
Weather forecast for Sunday is partly sunny with a high of 65.

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astavrides

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« Reply #16 on: April 28, 2009, 02:04:45 PM »
From the pictures, it looks to be in good condition.  Is that true from playing it as well?

What happens to the membership in a case like this?  (Or in any case when a private course becomes open to the public).   I know that Inniscrone has been accepting public play for a while.

Joe Bausch

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Re: say hello to a wonderful new muni for the Philly area
« Reply #17 on: April 28, 2009, 02:16:24 PM »
From the pictures, it looks to be in good condition.  Is that true from playing it as well?


Yes.

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What happens to the membership in a case like this?  (Or in any case when a private course becomes open to the public).   I know that Inniscrone has been accepting public play for a while.


Inniscrone has not been private for the last number of years.  It has been completely public AFAIK, although they do have yearly plans for golf, but I don't think that entitles you to any special tee times, etc.

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John Gosselin

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« Reply #18 on: April 28, 2009, 02:29:48 PM »
I get my El Sombrero fix once a week.
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Jerry Kluger

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« Reply #19 on: April 28, 2009, 03:04:59 PM »
Whoa! I need a little more time than this Sunday - if we give enough notice I think we could get a large turnout from the DC, PA and NY guys.

George Pazin

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« Reply #20 on: April 28, 2009, 03:27:56 PM »
whoops! :)
« Last Edit: April 28, 2009, 03:42:06 PM by George Pazin »
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Steve_ Shaffer

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« Reply #21 on: April 28, 2009, 08:46:50 PM »
I realize it's short notice.Let's do something later in the season. Keep in mind that the rates quoted above are temporary and will be increased. Another possible venue could be Lester George's Rock Manor GC which is conveniently located just off I95 in Wilmington. I'll start a new thread on this outing- The I95 Open.

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Mike_Cirba

Re: say hello to a wonderful new muni for the Philly area
« Reply #22 on: April 28, 2009, 09:30:41 PM »
I have only been to Inniscrone three times, and it's been awhile, so sometimes in the past few years when I hear critical commentary I wonder to myself if I may have overrated it back then.

Then, I see Joe's photo essay and realize I probably under-rated it.

It's not perfect, and there are a few questionable holes, but the good stuff is great, fresh, bold, and distinctive.

Just go through those pics again and watch the way the course uses every twist, turn, nook, cranny, dip, and rise of the land...

it's a thing of beauty.

Ron Csigo

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« Reply #23 on: April 28, 2009, 10:13:00 PM »
I played Inniscrone late last year solely based on Ran's write up on this site. 

I like the variety of short, risk/reward type par 4's.  Not one hole is repetitive, each hole having its own unique charm.

Would very much like to play it with fellow GCAers.
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Steve_ Shaffer

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« Reply #24 on: May 24, 2009, 12:11:33 AM »
I played Inniscrone today. The course was in good condition. The new management is getting their act together. The new website will be up soon. My foursome breezed through the front 9 in 1:55. Unfortunately the back 9 took almost 3h. They do need rangers on the course. I birdied the par5 7th hole.

The new rates are: $44 weekdays and $53 weekends. The weekday senior rate is $35. I think there is a weekend after 2pm rate.

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