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Thomas Dai

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“God obviously intended this to be a golf course”
« on: December 09, 2021, 05:29:50 PM »
The famous saying or paraphrasing of a saying .. “God obviously intended this to be a golf course.”
But is there another side to the coin? …. God obviously never intended this to be a golf course.
Thoughts, maybe with examples?
Atb

John Emerson

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Re: “God obviously intended this to be a golf course”
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2021, 05:36:13 PM »
Every single golf course built in a desert climate?
“There’s links golf, then everything else.”

Peter Pallotta

Re: “God obviously intended this to be a golf course”
« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2021, 05:57:34 PM »
Every single golf course built in a desert climate?
Certain experiences stay with you.
For me, my first visit to Las Vegas.
I flew there from Los Angeles on a small 8 person plane, for a friend's wedding.
I was enjoying the flight, looking down out the window at the passing scenery:
Mojave Desert, Mojave Desert, Mojave Desert...
WHAT?!?!


Marty Bonnar

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Re: “God obviously intended this to be a golf course”
« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2021, 06:02:06 PM »
God. Please.
We all know the Earth was commissioned by the mice and designed by Slartibartfast and others. Those crinkly-edges around Norway were all his! Award-winning, don’t you know.
F.
The White River runs dark through the heart of the Town,
Washed the people coal-black from the hole in the ground.

Mike_Trenham

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Re: “God obviously intended this to be a golf course”
« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2021, 06:53:49 PM »
The one I heard RTJ sr used for some farm land in Pennsylvania was “this property reminds me of Augusta National”.
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Sven Nilsen

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Re: “God obviously intended this to be a golf course”
« Reply #5 on: December 09, 2021, 08:23:21 PM »
God. Please.
We all know the Earth was commissioned by the mice and designed by Slartibartfast and others. Those crinkly-edges around Norway were all his! Award-winning, don’t you know.
F.
"The argument goes something like this: "I refuse to prove that I exist," says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing."
"As much as we have learned about the history of golf architecture in the last ten plus years, I'm convinced we have only scratched the surface."  A GCA Poster

"There's the golf hole; play it any way you please." Donald Ross

mike_beene

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Re: “God obviously intended this to be a golf course”
« Reply #6 on: December 09, 2021, 09:55:07 PM »
Somewhere in there is a combination of my Protestant faith and A Hitchhiker’s Guide!

JESII

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Re: “God obviously intended this to be a golf course”
« Reply #7 on: December 09, 2021, 10:22:56 PM »
The famous saying or paraphrasing of a saying .. “God obviously intended this to be a golf course.”
But is there another side to the coin? …. God obviously never intended this to be a golf course.
Thoughts, maybe with examples?
Atb




Sawgrass

Ally Mcintosh

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Re: “God obviously intended this to be a golf course”
« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2021, 01:40:07 AM »
The famous saying or paraphrasing of a saying .. “God obviously intended this to be a golf course.”
But is there another side to the coin? …. God obviously never intended this to be a golf course.
Thoughts, maybe with examples?
Atb




Sawgrass


Good example.


Desert courses in Dubai or that course in the Canaries that starts at the top of a mountain and finishes at the bottom perhaps?


In Ireland, we have a rather beautiful - and very wet - course called Bearna that was built on a peat bog. Never build on a peat bog.

Michael Felton

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Re: “God obviously intended this to be a golf course”
« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2021, 07:35:08 AM »
Bayonne springs to mind. Quite the engineering marvel.

Brock Lynch

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Re: “God obviously intended this to be a golf course”
« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2021, 08:21:00 AM »
Tot Hill Farm...and probably any course that can't be played without a cart!
« Last Edit: December 10, 2021, 08:22:34 AM by Brock Lynch »

Mike Wagner

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Re: “God obviously intended this to be a golf course”
« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2021, 09:28:32 AM »
Every single golf course built in a desert climate?


Have you ever played Papago in Phoenix?

Kyle Harris

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Re: “God obviously intended this to be a golf course”
« Reply #12 on: December 10, 2021, 10:02:14 AM »
There is nothing in scripture, secular or divine, that mentions a need for golf to be played upon grass.
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JESII

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Re: “God obviously intended this to be a golf course”
« Reply #13 on: December 10, 2021, 10:23:45 AM »
But it’s a whole lot better when it is…

Ira Fishman

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Re: “God obviously intended this to be a golf course”
« Reply #14 on: December 10, 2021, 01:49:19 PM »
There was a brief moment when the floor of the Red Sea would qualify.


Ira

Jeff Schley

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Re: “God obviously intended this to be a golf course”
« Reply #15 on: December 10, 2021, 03:58:05 PM »
I'm sure some remember this. Yeah .... look in the middle, close call.

« Last Edit: December 10, 2021, 04:00:43 PM by Jeff Schley »
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Tony_Muldoon

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Re: “God obviously intended this to be a golf course”
« Reply #16 on: December 10, 2021, 03:59:01 PM »
                    probably any course that can't be played without a cart!

This.   Apart from This, I've often ben surprised how good golf can be discovered/manufactured in the most surprising and unlikely places.   Sadly many people lack the imagination to recognise they have little imagination.  It's when seemingly promising land gives you little, that I see evidence that there is no God in architecture.
Let's make GCA grate again!

Kalen Braley

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Re: “God obviously intended this to be a golf course”
« Reply #17 on: December 10, 2021, 05:30:23 PM »
Depends on which god you're referring to...tastes and preferences may vary greatly.

Peter Pallotta

Re: “God obviously intended this to be a golf course”
« Reply #18 on: December 10, 2021, 06:54:13 PM »
Now I know what I sound like when I talk about golf course architecture.

James Brown

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Re: “God obviously intended this to be a golf course”
« Reply #19 on: December 10, 2021, 07:04:25 PM »
A golf course does not need to be in a natural setting with a minimalist design to be great.  It helps, but I still think we need to leave room in our minds for the creative design in a non ideal setting with lots of engineered design.

Garland Bayley

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Re: “God obviously intended this to be a golf course”
« Reply #20 on: December 10, 2021, 07:54:41 PM »
Vermillion Golf Club, Vermillion, SD. NLE
Was flat as the proverbial pancake.
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Brock Lynch

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Re: “God obviously intended this to be a golf course”
« Reply #21 on: December 11, 2021, 06:26:42 AM »

…It's when seemingly promising land gives you little, that I see evidence that there is no God in architecture..



Yes, Sandpiper would be such a place

Tom_Doak

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Re: “God obviously intended this to be a golf course”
« Reply #22 on: December 11, 2021, 07:51:00 AM »

…It's when seemingly promising land gives you little, that I see evidence that there is no God in architecture..

Yes, Sandpiper would be such a place


I’ve been hired to try and fix Sandpiper, but it’s not as simple as you think.


Did you know that before the golf course was built, the site was an oil refinery?  With holding ponds and all the rest.  When they showed me an aerial photo of it, my jaw dropped.  All of that was torn up and capped 50+ years ago, but they had a lot of things to work around.  It’s kind of a miracle there is a course there at all.

Tom_Doak

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Re: “God obviously intended this to be a golf course”
« Reply #23 on: December 11, 2021, 08:06:32 AM »
I spent the last four days at an event at Stone Eagle, which is the one course in my portfolio that some people don’t think should have been built, because it’s in the desert, and it’s unwalkable for many golfers.


I won’t apologize for any of that.  I think Stone Eagle is some of my best work.  It’s certainly the most difficult site we’ve ever built on, and none of the obstacles we overcame are obvious in the finished product, apart from the total elevation change required in playing it.  There is nothing else like it that I know of.  It would be better for the environment if they didn’t oversees it, but that’s an issue for every course in Palm Springs.


I’ve seen a few places in my time that should not have been built on, and I’ve turned down a couple of jobs on that basis.  One famous course was a bird breeding ground, which they solved by burning all the vegetation where the birds nested.  But environmental issues should be addressed on a case by case basis, not by some blanket rules.  It’s not golf’s fault that people want to live in the desert.

Bruce Katona

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Re: “God obviously intended this to be a golf course”
« Reply #24 on: December 11, 2021, 11:14:15 AM »
TD:

I, for one, would love to see the current Sandpiper layout superimposed over the top of the air photo of existing conditions pre golf course, to see what was worked around and how these constraints influenced the end result.


Perhaps then some of the contributors on this site may look at the end product in a different light.


Ally Macintosh:  Bearna is constructed on a peat bog?  Scratching my head on that one.  I hope the land was free as part of the deal.