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Ran Morrissett

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Kapalua Plantation - feedback from Coore/Crenshaw
« on: August 26, 1999, 08:00:00 PM »
John and I are admirers of the Planatation course at Kapalua. In part, I got married there to the best (and most tolerant) girl, but not withstanding those minor distractions, we thought the design of the course was of great exception.We sent our post in this site to the architects and have received two very kind letters back, which we thought we would share. Bebn Crenshaw wrote, "We decided to provide as many options as we could, given the harsh nature of elevation change and prevailing winds. Without such an array of avenues, the course would place extreme burden on the lesser skill. The scale was enormous, and therefore the features are wider than usual."Bill Coore wrote, "Regarding your specific question about the size of the fairways and greens, the answer would be yes, that even if the course were for a private club, we feel the playing areas would need to be expansive... As you noted in your letter,it was less than an ideal site. ... as to how the course traversed the uphill portions of the site. It was an interesting process trying to determine in advance how holes might be played where a proficient player could reasonably expect nearly four hundred yard tee shots in one instance and barely two hundred yard ones in another.By no means do we claim to have done everything right, especially given the difficulty of the site and the highly unusual results to golf shots it would yield. It was a site that could not help but produce a golf course where the extraordinary would become ordinary."We certainly think they did absolutely everything right as you can tell from our glowing write-up. Just how good is it? It beats Muirfield in Scotland on a hole by hole basis:1. Kapalua 1 up2. even3. Muirfield 1 up4. Muirfield 2 up5. M 1 up6. even7. K 1 up8. even9. M 1 up10. M 1 up11. even12. even13. M 1 up14. even15. even16. even17. Kap 1 up (but its close)18. Kap 2 upThe archtects are far too modest. The Plantation Course is a great, great course and deserves many a visit.

Scott Kraus

Kapalua Plantation - feedback from Coore/Crenshaw
« Reply #1 on: August 26, 1999, 08:00:00 PM »
What is this, the unofficial PR site for Kapalua? I still can't figure out how this site makes money - is that it, by getting people to courses? But how do the owners know? I have played two courses because of this site: Southern Pines and The Heathland in Myrtle Beach. I had never heard of Southern Pines before and I would never have gone to the huge golf complex at The Legends if not for the reviews here. Both were great surprises: Southern Pines for being the most pleasant walking course I think I have ever seen and Heathland for letting me swing out but only after I had thought through my options.Now comes Kapalua, which I have at least seen on TV. My wife and I will go there in the next year, even though the London is closer. If I don't like it, John expect a bill!

Tom Simpson

Kapalua Plantation - feedback from Coore/Crenshaw
« Reply #2 on: August 26, 1999, 08:00:00 PM »
Mr. Ran Morrissett,You are dismissing Muirfield much too lightly.  Whilst I greatly admire the Plantation Course at Kapalua for its lack of penal hazards, your hole-by-hole match fails to give proper respect to the 5th, 11th, 15th, 17th, and 18th at Muirfield.  I'll wager that Mr. Crenshaw himself would defer to the two closing holes at Muirfield.But the fact that the Plantation Course doesn't really quite nip out one of the twenty best courses in the world is still a very strong case for it.

Ran Morrissett

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Kapalua Plantation - feedback from Coore/Crenshaw
« Reply #3 on: August 26, 1999, 08:00:00 PM »
I certainly would never argue with the famous Tom Simpson so I have to accept what you are saying.However, I still maintain Muirfield drops the ball on the key point of being "inspiring" - at least before someone's judgement becomes clouded after one of the Honourable Company's famed long lunches. On an inspirational basis, I would rather play every hole at Kapalua that you mentioned (5,11,15,17,18) than those at Muirfield. Each hole at Kapalua is option filled whereas Muirfield is hay-lined on both sides of a thin fairway to an OK green. The "auld watermeadie" of Muirfield needs some Doak built greens to inspire. Meanwhile watching a chip shot roll ever so slowly 50 yards (!!) across the 18th green at Kapalua had us checking our watch to see if we could get in another round before the wedding!

Clark

Kapalua Plantation - feedback from Coore/Crenshaw
« Reply #4 on: August 27, 1999, 08:00:00 PM »
I won't be going to Hawaii anytime soon because Shannon, Ireland is about three hours closer. However, I do confess that I enjoyed watching the Mercedes tournament there this year as much as any PGA event so far. While Duval was awesome, many pros struggled to invent shots that they don't normally have to play - the results made for great viewing.

Doug Wright

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Re:Kapalua Plantation - feedback from Coore/Crenshaw
« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2004, 10:15:05 PM »
There was recent commentary about Kapalua Plantation so I thought the comments from the architects embedded in this old 1999 thread might be of interest.

As for Kapalua Plantation handling Muirfield in match play, well...it's obvious Ran was married at one and not the other... ;D :o

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George Pazin

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Re:Kapalua Plantation - feedback from Coore/Crenshaw
« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2004, 11:48:08 PM »
Does anyone know if Scott Kraus ever sent that bill to John? :)

Kapalua remains on my wish list, pretty damn high at that. Maybe someday on the way to Barnbougle....

Thanks for pulling this up, Doug.
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