Howard Dean/ Maidstone connection

[Ramon T. Hernandez]

OOPS. Thanks for the correction.

[brad_miller]

Mr. Childs, my dear friend, how about leaving 43 out of this one! Do you really think we would be better off today if Florida had turned out differently? IMHO it is the difference between playing Sand Hills and you pick, what was the last course you decided you didn't need to play again regardless of the company!

[GeoffreyC]

Mr. Miller

Did I not give a perfectly reasonable example of how President (even if he did steal the election in Florida) Bush by his own actions exhibit the very same '"do as I say, not as I do" school of thought?" that Ramon puts down Dr. Dean for.

Kindly give me an example of an actual event that Dr. Dean did in his own life to merit the same quote?

PS- Happy New Year my friend  

[Ramon T. Hernandez]

Geoff

DOC. COME ON! 43 isn't Tommy Franks, but then again I don't think you would vote for him if he was...

I love ya for the Yale GC effort, but let us agree about one thing...we are gonna vote for different people.

You guys have been suffering from MAD COW DISEASE in NY since the last election and you are only now beginning to suffer the effects.  

Howard Dean es loco. Ask Tuco.

[GeoffreyC]

Ramon

I never said who I was going to vote for and it may very well NOT be Dean, however, I will not allow this conservative bashing of honorable men.  Dr. Dean's actions do not merit this treatment. Again- please give me an example of an action in his life that merits your quote?

The world may in fact be safer today because 43 is president but lets not forget that its difficult to predict a person's actions once he is in the seat of power. FDR was hardly a hawk but given the events of the day he rose to the occasion.  Truman as well did what he needed to do to end the war.  Who is to say what the response of Al Gore to terriorism and 9/11 might have been.  Same for Dr. Dean.  Still, you can't deny that President Bush ducked Vietnam, eluded much of his reserve duties and grandstanded flying into an aircraft carrier to declare victory andthe end of major hostilities in Iraq! Look at how this draft dodger reacted to terrorists and ask if an honorable physician might not rise to the occasion as well?  

[Ramon T. Hernandez]

Now, Geoff we are off on a rant. I am sorry. I respect your thoughts and opinions. You are a scholar and a gentleman. Really.

Now, put that mighty mind of yours to work and help us determine the hierarchy of events that results in differentiation into Democrats and Republicans.

Or even followers of Ross or MacDonald. Technocrat or luddite in the "competition ball" thing. Once you give me the secret, I can put it to work and make you de-differentiate and let you see the light.

Keep up the good work. Happy New Year.

And what ever happened to the hole-by-hole analysis? That kinda thing "gets me up in the morning". Yer killin' us.  Make it your New Years resolution to resume the scholarly endeavor. Down with the stochastic and saltatory approach. Cheers!

[Michael Goody]

I think Ray Floyd's daughter was making reference to the Meadow Club in Southampton (which doesn't have golf).

[Tim_Weiman]

Dan Herrman:

I can tell you from talking with people who actualy played with Clinton at Ballybunion that he is genuinely liked very much. Yes, it is largely a matter of local politics, i.e., Clinton's support of the Northern Ireland peace process. Beyond the Northern Ireland issue, the Irish share the European sensibility about the Monica Lewinsky matter. They truly see it as simply about an extra marital affair and can't understand why Americans got so fired up about it.

According to my friends, Clinton really enjoys Ballybunion, both the course and the people. A while back, Brad Klein suggested Clinton's visits to Ballybunion were just a photo op thing. That's not the way my friends described it. His last visit was kept very hush-hush.

As for the statue, it is right there in the middle of town in front of the police station, but last I heard it still wasn't paid for.

I can assure you my very Republican mother will not be writing any checks to make up for it.......

[Doug Siebert]

It is on good authority that the ex-President is not welcome at Maidstone, or any other prestigious club in the Hamptons.  Besides the disdain of his morals and ethics, no club would put up with the caravan of cohorts he has to bring.

His morals and ethics?  As opposed to the wonderful ethics all the crooked CEOs and Wall Streeters that are the primary membership of LI clubs?  They are just fortunate that their lives haven't been under the same microscope anyone in politics is placed under these days.

In 50 years, I predict presidents will be test tube babies, raised by robots and educated by computers, having no direct interaction with the outside world until they reach the magic age of 35, to avoid the scandals that any normal person with the desire for that level of power will inevitably find themselves in from time to time along the way!

Come to think of it, Tiger Woods is sort of the progenitor of this species, he was raised from birth to be a champion golfer, and his life until college totally revolved around golf.  His parents wouldn't even let him have a Big Mac (not that I have any love for McDonalds products, but you are really leading a sheltered life if your parents won't let you get some fast food with your high school buddies!)

[klangone]

Doing most of my work on Wall St for the last 30+ years, I have to say that we are not all bad apples.  

And ask the ex-CEO of Tyco whether he has been under scrutiny or not?  

Clinton was a liar........plain and simple.  And he did lie under oath......whether it was about sex or about what cereal he ate.....he lied under oath.  For all the brains Willie was given.....he was really stupid sometimes.

Good catch on the Meadow Club.......they are still really restrictive.......but they do have very nice tennis courts.

[Brad Klein]

Dr. Childs,

as a certified expert in politics and only a dilettante in golf course architecture, I would submit to you that on this Web site, the only way to elicit more absurd views than on architecture is to ask about partisan matters.

[Ramon T. Hernandez]

Careful! Electrons are giving their lives for the freedom to post.

[GeoffreyC]

Ramon

Happy New Year and thank you for the kind words about Yale and my intellect but hell I can't even spell so how can I solve "the hierarchy of events that results in differentiation into Democrats and Republicans.

Or even followers of Ross or MacDonald. Technocrat or luddite in the "competition ball" thing" ? The heirarchy of gene activation and repression leading to differentiation of the heart and also curing cancer is another matter closer to my expertise.  

Dr. Brad - Wiser words have not been posted here on GCA. Appologies to SrFortson for my mistaking former president Clinton for Willie Horton. I'm just trying to balance the unfair character assasinations of the right wing golf lobby. Let the guy make an ass of himself before you rip into him.

[TEPaul]

Geoffrey Childs said;

"Let the guy make an ass of himself before you rip into him."

Geoffrey:

Those are wonderful words indeed and they perfectly describe what I believe is just about the most important and central basis of our entire American democratic system of government which is that our government completely protects every American's right to make a complete ass out of himself in public!

[Ramon T. Hernandez]

Geoff

Happy New Year. I gotta plan...you solve the problem of manufacturing working, mature cardiac myocytes (proprietary method) from primordial cells (stem or whatever) and take part of the royalties, pump it into the Yale GC (the big boys understand $) reclamation project

VEGF, K-ras, anti-sense (and I am not referring to anyone here, so don't yell at me) whatever floats yer boat. Me, I am stuck on string theory.  I am really tangled up in these strings. Can't make sense of it all.

[TEPaul]

Could someone give me some idea what Ramon T. Hernandez is talking about on Golflclubatlas.com? I'm pretty sure it doesn't have anything to do with golf architecture but I was just wondering what it does have to do with. It looks sort of interesting so I've just been wondering! The same goes for Tuco Ramirez---anyone have any idea what he's talking about? Is this some kinda Mexican thing?

[GeoffreyC]

Ramon

You are scaring me. VEGF, k-Ras, antisense?  There is only one other molecular biologist on this board that I know of and he has the same driver as I do.  

Actually, we have begun to study MEF2A which is coexpressed with VEGFR and we use RNAi and not antisense.

String theory is beyond someone (me) who can't spell (Although I did enjoy Stephen Hawking's book).

TE Paul- I will take up arms alongside you if any scum tries to take away our right to make an ass of ourselves in public.  I think we share that from the far left to the far right.  Thank goodness!

[TEPaul]

Geoffrey:

I don't think I'd ever be interested in taking up arms over the issue of an American's right to make an ass of himself in public. I never felt the need to kill a man because of his opinion. Words have always worked just fine!

[GeoffreyC]

Tom

Tell that to Osama bin Laden or Jacques Chirac  

[T_MacWood]

This thread should be deposited in a spider-hole.

[TEPaul]

"Tom
Tell that to Osama bin Laden or Jacques Chirac. "

Geoffrey:

Belay a small bit of what I said earlier. I'll make an exception--if you and I ever have the opportunity to talk to bin Laden about his opinions on anything, I'll be glad to take up arms with you. Actually, if I could find the guy I wouldn't even want to kill him, I'd want to put a muzzle on him, put him in a cage and hang it from the ceiling of the largest room in the most garrish casino in Las Vegas--and that's where he'd spend the remainder of his days!  

[Steve_ Shaffer]

Will someone answer my original question? Does Dr. Dean play golf?

Steve

[Tim_Sylvia]

I have a few simple questions.  
1. Does golf really have anything to do with politics?
2. If Yes above, why does golf have to do with politics?
3. Why are golf clubs so republican oriented?
Sailboat Racing, which I got into after seeing that golf was becoming a game of outrageous militaristic technology, is not remotely politically based.  I can promise you, applicant scrutiny at any good yacht club is far greater than most golf clubs, and if it's on the money end, sailing is much richer in general, just look at prices for the muni coure equivalent new sailboat, $100K+.

[johnnyjumpstart]

About 5 years ago I had a chance to play Maidstone & bring a guest with me. I was going to be playing with a member. The particular guest that I wanted to bring was a single digit golfer who happened to be black. I called the member and asked her if it would be a problem to bring my guest being that he was black. The guest replied: "By all means bring him, the club needs some color!" Well, I brought the guest and we played with no problems and had a great time. Nobody seemed to mind. john

[Tim_Sylvia]

I must say, the game is in a sad state of affairs when someone has to call in order to bring a person that an idiotic few may see as different to a big open field to whack a little ball into a few holes.  

"By all means bring him, the club needs some color!" - simply the most disgusting line I have ever heard

I'm not badmouthing golf, actually I'm a decent player, but I'm just making a point as to the sport of golf is really just that, hitting a ball into a hole.