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Ronald Montesano

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRnYO7n7cz8

I was gobsmacked at some of the comments that the fellows make, and also the things that they don't bring up. For example, two consecutive par-five holes, rather than adjacent par-five holes. Also, biggest green I've ever seen, rather than all the double greens add up to 18, and there are seven of them.

It's great insight into the mindset of well-known, amateur golfers who make money off their YouTube exploits; they know very little about golden-age golf course architecture. I'd love to see them on more classic courses, and follow their series of epiphanies. That's my hope for 2025.

Coming in 2025
~Robert Moses Pitch 'n Putt
~~Sag Harbor
~~~Chenango Valley
~~~~Sleepy Hollow
~~~~~Montauk Downs
~~~~~~Sunken Meadow
~~~~~~~Some other, posh joints ;)

Thomas Dai

Re: Good Good Guys and The Old Course: How Much They Didn't Know
« Reply #1 on: Yesterday at 04:36:49 AM »
I can sort of understand a new pay-n-play, resort development etc wanting the publicity that YouTube etc influencers like these may provide them with but TOC at St Andrews?

How would folks feel if they were at your club/course and you were playing behind them or even somewhere close to them?
Atb


Erik J. Barzeski

Re: Good Good Guys and The Old Course: How Much They Didn't Know
« Reply #2 on: Yesterday at 08:33:18 AM »
It's also possible they're "acting" a bit. I could see how they might act like "wow, that's amazing, I didn't know that?!" to better connect with their audience even though they knew it (whatever they were surprised by or "learned" in the moment).
Erik J. Barzeski @iacas
Author, Lowest Score Wins, Instructor/Coach, and Lifetime Student of the Game.

I generally ignore Rob, Tim, Garland, and Chris.

Brian Finn

Re: Good Good Guys and The Old Course: How Much They Didn't Know
« Reply #3 on: Yesterday at 09:50:24 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRnYO7n7cz8

I was gobsmacked at some of the comments that the fellows make, and also the things that they don't bring up. For example, two consecutive par-five holes, rather than adjacent par-five holes. Also, biggest green I've ever seen, rather than all the double greens add up to 18, and there are seven of them.

It's great insight into the mindset of well-known, amateur golfers who make money off their YouTube exploits; they know very little about golden-age golf course architecture. I'd love to see them on more classic courses, and follow their series of epiphanies. That's my hope for 2025.
Aren't you a high school teacher?  Gobsmacked?
New for 2025: Cabarrus CC...

Peter Sayegh

Re: Good Good Guys and The Old Course: How Much They Didn't Know
« Reply #4 on: Yesterday at 10:13:25 AM »

Aren't you a high school teacher?  Gobsmacked?
What's your point here Brian?
Are you degrading Ronald for being a high school teacher?
Or criticizing him for introducing a new word to young minds in his classes (or interjecting it here in such an "august" group)?
As for the Good Guys and their experiences anywhere, I couldn't care less.
« Last Edit: Yesterday at 10:19:47 AM by Peter Sayegh »

Brian Finn

Re: Good Good Guys and The Old Course: How Much They Didn't Know
« Reply #5 on: Yesterday at 10:22:37 AM »

Aren't you a high school teacher?  Gobsmacked?
What's your point here Brian?
Are you degrading Ronald for being a high school teacher?
Or criticizing him for introducing a new word to young minds in his classes (or interjecting here in such an "august" group)?
As for the Good Guys and their experiences anywhere, I couldn't care less.
Hahaha.  Not even close.  I should not have left my comment open to so much interpretation.  My bad. 

I am suggesting that a HS teacher, who is exposed to young people all day every day, might be more in touch with this group of guys and their core demographic.  Ron is an intelligent and thoughtful person, so I am shocked that he is shocked.  As for his vocabulary, it is far better than my own, so I would never dream of criticizing it. 

I have a teen son who is just getting into golf, in a big way.  The Good Good guys are right up his alley, and I don't have a problem with that.  While they may not be knowledgeable about classic golf course architecture, or many other things in which I am interested, I don't really view them as bad influences.  Not terribly bad, anyway.   ;D


Also - if anyone else read into my brief comment that I was in any way attempting to "degrade" HS teachers, or Ron himself, please let me know (here or in private).  Such negativity never even crossed my mind.  I hold youth educators in the absolute highest regard.  My mother was a HS teacher.  My sister is a grade school teacher.  My mother in law was a middle school teacher.  The greatest influences in my daughter's (a HS senior) life have been a few of her teachers.  It feels weird that I need to type all of this out, but reading Peter's response was literally painful. I guess I should know better than to just post such open-ended comments.  Back off socials for me again!  Apologies to anyone that may have been offended. 
« Last Edit: Yesterday at 10:37:01 AM by Brian Finn »
New for 2025: Cabarrus CC...

BHoover

Re: Good Good Guys and The Old Course: How Much They Didn't Know
« Reply #6 on: Yesterday at 10:45:12 AM »

Aren't you a high school teacher?  Gobsmacked?
What's your point here Brian?
Are you degrading Ronald for being a high school teacher?
Or criticizing him for introducing a new word to young minds in his classes (or interjecting it here in such an "august" group)?
As for the Good Guys and their experiences anywhere, I couldn't care less.


Peter, in the immortal words of Sgt. Hulka, “Lighten up, Francis.”

Kalen Braley

Re: Good Good Guys and The Old Course: How Much They Didn't Know
« Reply #7 on: Yesterday at 11:06:02 AM »
Opposite of Ron's impression, I forced myself to watch the first 2 holes in their entirety before turning it off (I was already bored to death by the time the first group holed out on 1).  I guess this is entertainment for the younger crowd, although i did find mild interest in the ground level shots/views.

P.S. Brian, thanks for the context on the comment, I too thought it was an insult at first glance.

Peter Sayegh

Re: Good Good Guys and The Old Course: How Much They Didn't Know
« Reply #8 on: Yesterday at 03:22:01 PM »

Aren't you a high school teacher?  Gobsmacked?
What's your point here Brian?
Are you degrading Ronald for being a high school teacher?
Or criticizing him for introducing a new word to young minds in his classes (or interjecting it here in such an "august" group)?
As for the Good Guys and their experiences anywhere, I couldn't care less.


Peter, in the immortal words of Sgt. Hulka, “Lighten up, Francis.”
Huh?
I asked Brian to explain his post which he did-as thoughtfully as he usually does. No harm, no foul. Sorry for any consternation I caused.
Sincerely, Big Toe ;)

Craig Sweet

Re: Good Good Guys and The Old Course: How Much They Didn't Know
« Reply #9 on: Yesterday at 04:56:15 PM »
I've watched a couple of these Good Guy video's and they make me embarrassed to be an American.

Erik J. Barzeski

Re: Good Good Guys and The Old Course: How Much They Didn't Know
« Reply #10 on: Yesterday at 05:53:50 PM »
I've watched a couple of these Good Guy video's and they make me embarrassed to be an American.
Oh brother.

They're not my cup of tea, really, but gee whiz.
Erik J. Barzeski @iacas
Author, Lowest Score Wins, Instructor/Coach, and Lifetime Student of the Game.

I generally ignore Rob, Tim, Garland, and Chris.

Matt Schoolfield

Re: Good Good Guys and The Old Course: How Much They Didn't Know
« Reply #11 on: Yesterday at 06:38:24 PM »
“The kids are alright”

BHoover

Re: Good Good Guys and The Old Course: How Much They Didn't Know
« Reply #12 on: Yesterday at 07:45:54 PM »
I've watched a couple of these Good Guy video's and they make me embarrassed to be an American.


Let’s be honest, there are much more important reasons at this moment for us to be embarrassed to be Americans. A YouTube golf channel is not one of them.

Ronald Montesano

Re: Good Good Guys and The Old Course: How Much They Didn't Know
« Reply #13 on: Yesterday at 08:09:29 PM »
A couple of guys on Friday made me embarrassed to be an American, but I won't delve any deeper than that.

Before I got to Brian's follow-up, I wrote to Peter off-line, thanking him for coming to my aid.

When I read Brian's follow-up, I related. I've written so posts that sounded SOOOO good in my head, but didn't read quite the same way. I'm also completely assured of his sincerity, and grateful for his (and his family's) support of education.

I'm now going to mansplain a bit about teenagers. Every single day, they say and do things that leave me gobsmacked, dumbfounded, stupefied, and atonito, as the Spanish would say. That's what they do! I teach the same kids every year. They are always 14 or 15 or 16. Their names change, as do their birth years, but they are always 14 or 15 or 16 or 17. The gap between them and me gets wider every year, so that's why I watch Good Good and other fare.

We may have been misled by prior generations, that the young will always seek out the old. That's no longer the case, with a caveat. If we seek them out, and connect with them, they will seek us out subsequently. So, that's what I do. Bewilderment and astonishment are daily servings on my plate.

Back to the Good Good squad. They have a brand, and they are not going to jeopardize it by acting the ugly American. They work in a professional, respectful way. Has youse not read about the state of golf participation in Scotland of late? It's down. The young aren't playing as much, and other than Bobby MacIntyre, there ain't much on the professional horizon. We the old are bound for the glue factory, and it's the young that shall replace us, just as we replace a generation or two.

I still have a few holes left to watch. I like the enthusiasm of their caddies, who clearly understand their role and value the ability to participate in a filming. I'll take Good Good over Pickleball as an evolution, any day of the week.

Coming in 2025
~Robert Moses Pitch 'n Putt
~~Sag Harbor
~~~Chenango Valley
~~~~Sleepy Hollow
~~~~~Montauk Downs
~~~~~~Sunken Meadow
~~~~~~~Some other, posh joints ;)

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