Back to Back Par 5s as Closing Both Nines

[Ira Fishman]

Victoria in Melbourne has Par 5s for 8 and 9 and 17 and 18 (very good holes btw). I do not remember seeing both nines finishing with two Par 5s before.

[David_Tepper]

There may have been a thread on this many years ago. The Presidio GC in San Francisco finishes with par-5's on both nines.One of the nines also starts with a par-5.

[Kyle Harris]

Wyncite in PA starts and finishes each 9 with Par 5s.

[Jeff Fortson]

Delete.  Didn't read the opening post close enough.

[Jim Sherma]

Wren Dale (Hershey, PA - NLE - Hurdzan and Frey) - ended both 9's with reachable par 5's. I believe that both were designed to be used as long par 4's for a tournament set-up. Allowed for members to have a chance at a good feeling walking off of the course while giving an easy way to set up the course to play much harder against par. Makes sense if have the routing freedom to do it. 

[mike_malone]

Rolling Green has a strong par five number 9 and a gettable 18 par five.


 They are very different holes.

[Matt Schoolfield]

David, you can add Sharp Park, even if the returning hole is the 10th.

Par placement, and peoples' preferences is something I find really interesting. I personally felt strange at Pasatiempo finishing with a par 3 (something I never would have considered before that round).

When I think of finishers, I typically think of them in the 17-18 pairing from a stroke vs match perspective: stroke play is usually gettable 17th, then hard 18th, and match play being the opposite.

Par 3's and par 5's on 18 do seem to make this dynamic less clear for match play, as short par 4s really seem to be the sweet spot in creating a birdie opportunity but probably for only one player.

[Jeff Schley]

More unique is Doha Golf Club where 1, 9, 10, 18 are all par 5's.
https://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,72557.msg1742586.html#msg1742586

[Jason Thurman]

Victoria in Melbourne has Par 5s for 8 and 9 and 17 and 18 (very good holes btw). I do not remember seeing both nines finishing with two Par 5s before.

8 AND 9, 17 AND 18 - that's not something I've heard of before...

[Matt_Cohn]

Not the same, but kind of related. At the California State Fair Championship at Haggin Oaks, they used to use a modified routing that allowed for a two-tee start. 1, 17, and 18 were par 5's. So when you started on 10, you played three par 5's in a row as you made the turn.

The regular routing also has 1, 17 (a different hole), and 18 as par 5's, but the 10th tee is far from the clubhouse that way.

Also this thread has some good info on consecutive par 5's, but as far as ending both nines that way, nothing.

[Jeff Evagues]

Kapalua Plantation

[Ira Fishman]

Kapalua Plantation

Neither 8 nor 17 at Kapalua are Par 5s. My subject line must not be precise enough. I have tried modifying it. Thanks.

[Kevin_Reilly]

Thanks Pete, I delete.

[Pete_Pittock]

and they lament reading level achievements in public schools

[David_Tepper]

Yes, I misread Ira's opening post as well. My apologies.


I am not aware of any course that has back-to-back par-5's on the closing 2 holes of both nines.

[Scott Warren]

Ira,

Just a couple of kilometres from Victoria GC, Yarra Yarra almost matches it.

8, 9 and 18 are par fives, but 17 is a mid-length par four.

[Phil Burr]

Ira, it’s a shame nobody read your title nor your post with its explicitly clear example.  Yes, Kapalua has par 5s to finish each 9.  So what.  Thousands of courses do.  But they’re not by any means consecutive nor do they constitute a total of FOUR holes.  Maybe we’ll see something similar in an upcoming TGL event since it seems like every hole is a par 5.  On the other hand, how do you split a 15 hole course between a front side & a back side?

[Jim_Coleman]

   Rolling Green comes close. 7,9,17and 18 are par 5’s.

[Joe Bausch]

Victoria in Melbourne has Par 5s for 8 and 9 and 17 and 18 (very good holes btw). I do not remember seeing both nines finishing with two Par 5s before.

I’ve played many golf courses and I don’t think I’ve ever played a combo like that.


I have played two courses with 3 consecutive par 5s.

[MKrohn]

Certainly I've only encountered that combo at Victoria, albeit when the pros are there the 8th plays as a par 4 and 18 is a very short 5.


I watched a Ryan Ruffels https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSu3C8gDO2U where they played the back 9 and he hit 2 hickories onto 18 under the watchful eye of Mike Clayton.


** warning: Clayts doesn't get much screen time and Ruffels is playing with some kid called Mac Boucher who never draws breath

[Mike_Clayton]

With no wind both 8 (490y) and 18 (510y) are drivers and short irons for pros now.
And, the two hickory woods Ryan hit onto 18 were super impressive - way more impressive than bombing the modern stuff 340 and hitting a wedge.

[Kevin_Reilly]

and they lament reading level achievements in public schools

Thanks for the nice words, Pete.

[Matthew Rose]

Back to back par 5s seem more common in Australia compared to the US, at least in my observation. I have played YY and I saw Victoria whilst attending an Oz Open there, although they were playing #8 as a long four.

The last course I played was Mandalay north of Melbourne, which has b2b fives at 16 and 17.

[A.G._Crockett]

Ive never seen this, and it wouldn’t really matter for stroke play.  Hole handicapping in triads for match play could be a challenge, though. 

[Jeff Schley]

Victoria in Melbourne has Par 5s for 8 and 9 and 17 and 18 (very good holes btw). I do not remember seeing both nines finishing with two Par 5s before.

I’ve played many golf courses and I don’t think I’ve ever played a combo like that.


I have played two courses with 3 consecutive par 5s.

Wow I don't think I have played any with that combo.  Where were they Joe?