CBM & Raynor Photo: a Tully find

[Marty Bonnar]

A VERY interesting find by Mr Tully, here reported on by Mr Pioppi:
http://theaposition.com/anthonypioppi/golf/2514/a-monumental-discovery-the-first-known-photograph-of-seth-raynor-and-charles-blair-macdonald-together

[Charlie Goerges]

Wunderbar!


As an aside, the article notes that the photo is still under copyright. Anyone know how this would be possible if it's from 1915? I thought everything before 1929 was out of copyright at this point.

[MCirba]

Fantastic find.  Congrats to all involved.

[Matt Schoolfield]

The image appears in the Aug. 1, 1915 edition

the photo, which is still under copyright,

I don’t see how this is possible. Everything published before 1929 is in the public domain in the United States.

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Edit, I might as well also link to the relevant photo:

[Charlie Goerges]

The image appears in the Aug. 1, 1915 edition

the photo, which is still under copyright,

I don’t see how this is possible. Everything published before 1929 is in the public domain in the United States.

Great minds...

[Matt Schoolfield]

Great minds...

Whoops!  That's what I get for reading the article instead of the comments!

[Sven Nilsen]

No Raynor in this one, but a photo I stumbled across with a few golf dignitaries included.

[Jeff Schley]

Very nice find.  Love the hats and formal dress back then.

[Jim Hoak]

Sven or others, how many of the nine gentlemen in the picture can you identify and name?

[Niall C]

I'll have a go;


Back Row Left to Right - Vardon, Braid, Taylor, ?, Massey


Front Row Left to Right - Duncan, Hagen, Barnes, Ted Ray (?)


If they were all Open champions as I suspect they were then maybe the ? in the back row is Jack White ?


Niall

[Simon Barrington]

I'll have a go;
Back Row Left to Right - Vardon, Braid, Taylor, ?, Massey
Front Row Left to Right - Duncan, Hagen, Barnes, Ted Ray (?)
If they were all Open champions as I suspect they were then maybe the ? in the back row is Jack White ?
Niall

The two between Braid & Massy at the back row are Sandy Herd & Jack White.
(JHT is not included, must have been absent for some reason or other)
Think taken sometime in the late 20's at an Open

[Niall C]

Well spotted Simon, it is indeed Herd and not Taylor. I found a copy of the photo in Bob MacAlindin's "James Braid Champion Golfer" and the gent front right is Bill Mehlhorn apparently.


Niall

[Simon Barrington]

Well spotted Simon, it is indeed Herd and not Taylor. I found a copy of the photo in Bob MacAlindin's "James Braid Champion Golfer" and the gent front right is Bill Mehlhorn apparently.
Niall

Must have recalled that from deep in the memory then, as it's a good while since I picked up Bob's book on Braid.
I have recently been viewing images of Herd (who, less deferentially, had a passing resemblence to the the Silent Movie Comic, Ben Turpin!) so I was pretty sure it was him.
Not heard of Bill Mehlhorn before, just googled him and seems he finished T8 in the 1926 Open at Lytham, he only played in 4 1926-29 so any idea at which the picture was taken?

[Niall C]

Simon


Being a sad git and there being nothing good on TV, I was thinking about this last night. It occurred to me that with the exception of Mehlhorn they are all Open Champs and that they are also standing in order from when they first won the Open, starting with Vardon on the left. Off the top of my head Barnes won his Open in 1925 at Prestwick when MacDonald Smith supposedly lost due to the crowds so presumably the photo was taken after then.


That might tie in with Mehlhorn's performance in 1926. Certainly by the looks of them I wouldn't put it any earlier and if you were to say it was taken in the early 1930's it wouldn't surprise me. From memory Mehlhorn was a big hitting American ?


Niall 

[David_Tepper]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Mehlhorn   

"Wild Bill" Melhorn won 19 times but never won a major. He died in 1989 at 91 years.