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Jonas Peter Akins

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Three Hole Loops
« on: November 19, 2024, 09:45:44 PM »

A few weeks ago, our athletic director and I had the opportunity to play the inside loop (1, 8, and 9) of Hotchkiss Golf Course (and catch up with the great Jim Kennedy, who very kindly signed a copy of the new “Golf at Hotchkiss” book for me) before our football game against them.  Traveling up on the team bus, I brought my 5-wood, my 8 iron, and my putter.  It was a glorious New England fall day, I was one over through the first two holes, and I don’t remember having had more fun on a golf course, and certainly not in such a short period of time. 


Those three holes put me in mind of other loops that have felt like complete, or nearly complete, courses within courses.  I hit every club in my bag (all three of them...but I would have used 8 or 9 with a full bag, I should think), it was a wide variety of stances and shots, and finishing just about where we started made it feel like a complete round.  Other examples from recent rounds include 10, 11, and 12 on the Clyde/Squirrel course at Brookline, 10, 11, and 12 at Kittansett, and 11, 12, and 13 at Lost Tree in North Palm Beach.  The three hole loop that first made me think of the holes that I’d want in my backyard are 3, 4, and 5 on the Royal and Ancient Chappaquiddick Links, which is a wonderful example of a home brew course that is just so much fun.


Are there other three hole loops that contain most of the shots you’d want to hit on a regular basis?  Extra points, perhaps, for those that cut across the scorecard, a la 1, 8, and 9 at Hotchkiss, in order to return you in short order.

Ben Stephens

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Re: Three Hole Loops
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2024, 02:26:53 AM »
Flempton a delightful nine holes designed by JH Taylor in Suffolk England (not too far from Mildenhall) has 3 x 3 hole loops starting and finishing at the clubhouse

Matt Schoolfield

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Re: Three Hole Loops
« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2024, 02:39:59 AM »
I know that, originally, there was a three-hole loop at Lincoln Park GC in SF. I believe it was the current holes: 3 (but as a par 4), 4, and 5. I honestly think, aside from 18, those are the best three holes on the course, and would be happy to play that loop instead of the other 15 holes (even if 1 and 18 are both pretty solid).

BCrosby

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Re: Three Hole Loops
« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2024, 10:15:19 AM »
Tom D's Pinehurst No. 10 has a terrific three hole loop.


1,2, and 3. A par 4, par 3 and par 5.


Bob

Dan_Callahan

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Re: Three Hole Loops
« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2024, 12:37:54 PM »
The golf course at Woodberry Forest School has similar three-hole loops. The first three holes (which open pretty much on the doorstep of the gym) include a par 4 where you can hit driver (but don't need to), a par 3 that can play between 125 - 190 yards, and a dogleg left par 4 where you can cut the corner if you want, but it is over trees and OB. Holes 4-6 form another loop (with the 5th being a par 3), as do holes 7-9 (with the 9th a 190-yard par 3).


They also have an awesome tradition of one-club golf. They mow separate teeing areas so the tee boxes don't get beat up, and after dinner, students take one club and play the course until it's time for study hall. Pretty great to see groups of teenagers out there on a nice fall evening having a great time, no phones present. Get a lot of kids who have never even played golf before. Anytime I get down on something about the game (pace of play, LIV, exclusivity of American private clubs, etc), I see the kids out there with their friends playing one-club and am reminded of all that is so great about golf.

Mike Hendren

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Re: Three Hole Loops
« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2024, 01:25:32 PM »
The 9 holes course I grew up on had the following loops:
1-4-7
1-4-7-8-9
1-2-3-4-5-6-7
1-2-3-4-7
1-2-3-4-7-8-9
1-4-5-6-7
1-4-5-6-7-8-9
8-9
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Michael Felton

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Re: Three Hole Loops
« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2024, 01:42:57 PM »
Huntington Country Club on Long Island has 7, 8, 9. 7 is a Road Hole par 5, 8 is a mid-length par 4 and 9 is a pretty difficult 200 yard uphill par 3.


Walton Heath has a wonderful way of offering as many loops as you could want. 1O, 2O, 18O or 18N both work pretty well. For the mixture of 3, 4 and 5, 2N 15O 16O is pretty much perfect if you don't mind an extra 300 yard walk past the 1st tee on the New. 1N, 17O, 18O is a pretty good loop too. Short 4, 3, longer 4.

John Handley

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Re: Three Hole Loops
« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2024, 03:58:57 PM »
My club in Austin, Spanish Oaks GC has a perfect 3 hole loop. 1 is a par 5, 2 is a par 4 and 3 is a par 3 which brings you back to the clubhouse.


You can even go play 4,5, and 6 (all par 4s) and make a 6-hole loop as you still come back pretty close to the clubhouse.


At Cal Club, we have the Whiskey Run.  That is 1,2 ,3, and 9.



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Cal Seifert

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Re: Three Hole Loops
« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2024, 08:07:01 PM »
Old Town Club has a brilliant 3 hole loop on holes 1,2, and 3. After 3 you are basically back at your car / clubhouse too. Within these 3 holes you hit a variety of downhill and uphill shots and play a par 3.

Craig Sweet

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Re: Three Hole Loops
« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2024, 08:14:25 PM »
I love a course that has an unintentional 3 hole loop!  Old Works has a 3 hole loop called the Little Bear that loops around the driving range. Great fun after dinner and a warm up on the range as the sun is setting.

Frank Pont

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Re: Three Hole Loops
« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2024, 02:08:08 AM »
De Pan holes 7-9

Richard Fisher

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Re: Three Hole Loops
« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2024, 04:10:29 AM »
Ben has beaten me to it with Flempton. Three lovely and very contrasting loops of three holes.
18 at The Sacred Nine and 18 at Flempton makes a hard-to-beat day's golf, and even better if you can fit in a proper Worly lunch somewhere along the way. And then 3 or 6 or 9  more after tea...

Will Spivey

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Re: Three Hole Loops
« Reply #12 on: November 21, 2024, 10:20:17 AM »
Old Town Club has a brilliant 3 hole loop on holes 1,2, and 3. After 3 you are basically back at your car / clubhouse too. Within these 3 holes you hit a variety of downhill and uphill shots and play a par 3.


Cal, I love that loop, and I would add 10, 11, 18, which is another common 3 hole loop for members.

Tim Martin

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Re: Three Hole Loops
« Reply #13 on: November 21, 2024, 11:03:59 AM »
10,11,18 and 5,6,2 Yale

Tom_Doak

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Re: Three Hole Loops
« Reply #14 on: November 22, 2024, 08:27:07 PM »
Crystal Downs has a great four-hole loop if you want a few more when you're done:  1-7-8-9.  That's a long 4, a short 4, a par 5 and a par 3, and they are all excellent holes.

Michael Morandi

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Re: Three Hole Loops
« Reply #15 on: November 22, 2024, 10:38:18 PM »
If we are including 4 hole loops, it’s hard to beat the Whiskey Run at Cal Club. 1,2,3 and 9 are some of the best holes on the course.

Ally Mcintosh

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Re: Three Hole Loops
« Reply #16 on: November 23, 2024, 02:44:48 AM »
Tom Simpson talked a fair bit about how he would look for triangles in his design, routing multiple three hole loops. It is a good use of space, especially when putting gentle doglegs in.


It is something that I look for also when routing. There is a neatness to it.

Matthew Galloway

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Re: Three Hole Loops
« Reply #17 on: December 09, 2024, 10:08:37 PM »
The girl I used to caddy for on the LPGA Tour hated 18 hole practice rounds and always didnt think 9 holes were enough. It was always my job to find an extra 3-4 hole routing for us to play on practice days. It always led us to think and dream of a 3-6-9-12-18 hole course with different combos would be a dream place to play and practice.

Matt Wharton

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Re: Three Hole Loops
« Reply #18 on: December 10, 2024, 11:17:08 AM »
When I went to work at Lake Bonaventure CC in Castlewood, VA at the age of 19 there was a member named J.R. Jones who would partner with his good friend Jim Easterly (aka Satch) in fourball matches. If the match was tied after completion J.R. would exclaim, "3-Hole Playoff" and the foursome would head back to the first tee where they would play holes 1 (short, straight away par 4), 2 (short, uphill par 3), and 9 (short par 4 with a fairway severely canted left-to-right). If the match remained tied after those three holes another 3-Hole Playoff would commence. 

The 3-Hole Playoff was so common it was widely adopted by other members and groups and folks coming off Hole 8 would routinely yield the 9th Tee to Playoff groups coming off Hole 2. Fun times!
Matthew Wharton, CGCS, MG
Idle Hour CC
Lexington, KY

Mark Kiely

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Re: Three Hole Loops
« Reply #19 on: December 10, 2024, 01:51:19 PM »
Nos. 12, 13, and 14 at Mission Viejo Country Club (RTJ Sr.) in Orange County, CA provide a great three-hole loop consisting of a nice par 4 with an uphill approach, a medium-length, watery, downhill par 3, and a dogleg-right par 5 with another uphill approach over a creek. These three holes are all on one side of a street the routing crosses, making it feel distinct from the rest of the course, and the 14th green brings you right back to the 12th tee. A friend lived on the 14th green when I was a kid and we'd sneak out and play that loop sometimes. Later I lived adjacent to the 12th green for many years, but the prospect of getting caught as an adult was too nerve-wracking to risk sneaking out.
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Matt Wharton

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Re: Three Hole Loops
« Reply #20 on: December 10, 2024, 03:15:13 PM »
Nos. 12, 13, and 14 at Mission Viejo Country Club (RTJ Sr.) in Orange County, CA provide a great three-hole loop consisting of a nice par 4 with an uphill approach, a medium-length, watery, downhill par 3, and a dogleg-right par 5 with another uphill approach over a creek. These three holes are all on one side of a street the routing crosses, making it feel distinct from the rest of the course, and the 14th green brings you right back to the 12th tee. A friend lived on the 14th green when I was a kid and we'd sneak out and play that loop sometimes. Later I lived adjacent to the 12th green for many years, but the prospect of getting caught as an adult was too nerve-wracking to risk sneaking out.


Mark,


That scenario reminds me of a three hole loop at Catawba Country Club in Newton, NC. Hole 14-16 of this Donald Ross design form a perfect triangle near the 13th green and 17th tee. I have on numerous occasions completed the loop then played it again before proceeding to Holes 17 and 18 just to give ourselves a break from waiting on a slower group in front. Hole 14 is a straight away medium length par 4, Hole 15 is a short, dogleg left par 4, and Hole 16 is a sharp, dogleg left par 5.


Pine Needles also has an internal 3-hole loop comprised of Holes 11-13 one could repeat if necessary. I know a guy that played all three holes of that loop from nearly the same divot way left off the tee of each hole.  ;D
Matthew Wharton, CGCS, MG
Idle Hour CC
Lexington, KY

hhuffines

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Re: Three Hole Loops
« Reply #21 on: December 10, 2024, 04:08:12 PM »
Dan,


Thank you for reminding me of the first three holes at Woodberry Forest School!  I used to play that loop after football practice and dinner.  I wish I had known more about Donald Ross then. 1978…

Steven Wade

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Re: Three Hole Loops
« Reply #22 on: December 11, 2024, 04:49:59 PM »
I have been thinking about this thread and thinking about the three (or four) hole loop at my club.


After a (boozy) stag day and dinner in 2023 we went out in our loafers and played 1, 2, and 10 at Philadelphia Cricket Club. They are an uphill par 4 of 395 yards, and  a downhill par 4 of 396 yards, and a 160 ish par 3. Despite the similar yardages the two par 4s play very different because of the uphill, downhill. Then it's fun to finish on a par 3. We actually ended up tied on this three hole loop and ended up at the 105 yard par 3 3rd as a bet settler. It was one of the highlights of the golf season for me. So much fun to finish in the gloaming and we putted out via iPhone flashlight.


Still, would this be considered a good 3 hole loop? I've read people mention that getting a par 3, 4, and  5 in are ingredients to a great one. It got me thinking, what are the ingredients to a great 3 or 4 hole loop? My answer is, "Is it fun?" and "Does it come back to the clubhouse?" but I'd be interested in knowing what would constitute a great 3 hole loop for you?

Tim Martin

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Re: Three Hole Loops
« Reply #23 on: December 11, 2024, 05:04:12 PM »
It got me thinking, what are the ingredients to a great 3 or 4 hole loop? My answer is, "Is it fun?" and "Does it come back to the clubhouse?" but I'd be interested in knowing what would constitute a great 3 hole loop for you?


Steven-Does it start and finish near the clubhouse would be a prerequisite for me. Variety in the form of par/length would be a bonus but isn’t required.

Brian Finn

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Re: Three Hole Loops
« Reply #24 on: December 12, 2024, 09:10:15 AM »
It got me thinking, what are the ingredients to a great 3 or 4 hole loop? My answer is, "Is it fun?" and "Does it come back to the clubhouse?" but I'd be interested in knowing what would constitute a great 3 hole loop for you?

Steven-Does it start and finish near the clubhouse would be a prerequisite for me. Variety in the form of par/length would be a bonus but isn’t required.
I agree regarding proximity to the clubhouse.  3 hole loops are bonus golf, in one form or another, so par doesn't matter much to me, but it is nice when they can be reasonably played with 1-3 clubs.  If we are talking about the best courses in the world - Old Town, Yale, Philly Cricket, et al - the holes will all be great, but what really matters is if you can easily squeeze in a few more without too much trouble.  Walkable in loafers with a drink is certainly a nice bonus.   ;)
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