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Steve_Roths

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2025 Openings
« on: August 25, 2024, 12:31:39 PM »
Is there an expectation on a lot of openings in 2025?

Paul Jones

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Re: 2025 Openings
« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2024, 12:35:26 PM »
Links Magazine has 14 new projects listed - https://linksmagazine.com/14-new-golf-projects-on-our-radar/


I am surprised at how many new courses are/have opened in the last few years.
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Tommy Williamsen

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Re: 2025 Openings
« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2024, 12:58:35 PM »
Links Magazine has 14 new projects listed - https://linksmagazine.com/14-new-golf-projects-on-our-radar/


I am surprised at how many new courses are/have opened in the last few years.


A subscription is necessary to open the link. I am surprised as well about the number of new courses, especially those that are national clubs.
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Mike Worth

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Re: 2025 Openings
« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2024, 01:05:52 PM »
Links Magazine has 14 new projects listed - https://linksmagazine.com/14-new-golf-projects-on-our-radar/


I am surprised at how many new courses are/have opened in the last few years.


A subscription is necessary to open the link. I am surprised as well about the number of new courses, especially those that are national clubs.




I was able to read the article. It gives you three free articles before you have to subscribe. 

Tommy Williamsen

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Re: 2025 Openings
« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2024, 01:40:40 PM »
Links Magazine has 14 new projects listed - https://linksmagazine.com/14-new-golf-projects-on-our-radar/


I am surprised at how many new courses are/have opened in the last few years.


A subscription is necessary to open the link. I am surprised as well about the number of new courses, especially those that are national clubs.




I was able to read the article. It gives you three free articles before you have to subscribe.


I must have used my three articles up.

Where there is no love, put love; there you will find love.
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Ronald Montesano

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Re: 2025 Openings
« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2024, 01:40:51 PM »
These are the 14 stateside ones from the article

Miakka-Azinger Fry/Straka-Florida
Wohali-Boyden-Utah
Rodeo Dunes-Craig-Colorado
Rose-Davis-Georgia
Contentment-George-North Carolina
Kawonu-Green-South Carolina
Mapleton-Hoffmann-South Dakota
Watersound-Love3-Florida
Tepetonka-OCM-Minnesota
Apogee-Faz2/Davis/Phillips-Florida
Soleta-Price-Florida
1876-Singletary-Texas
Darmor-Sutton-Texas
Cypress Shoals-Watson-South Carolina
« Last Edit: August 25, 2024, 09:51:25 PM by Ronald Montesano »
Coming in 2024
~Elmira Country Club
~Soaring Eagles
~Bonavista
~Indian Hills
~Maybe some more!!

Nick Schreiber

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Re: 2025 Openings
« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2024, 02:10:36 PM »
I'm fairly certain Cypress Shoals is dead in the water, and has been almost since it was announced.


I'd add:
- Broomsedge (preview play in '24); Rembert, SC; Kyle Franz & Mike Koprowski
- 21 Club; Jackson, SC; King Collins
- Old Sawmill; Ridgeville, SC; Tyler Rae

Tommy Williamsen

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Re: 2025 Openings
« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2024, 02:49:03 PM »
There is a lot of chatter about Kawonu in the upstate.
Where there is no love, put love; there you will find love.
St. John of the Cross

"Deep within your soul-space is a magnificent cathedral where you are sweet beyond telling." Rumi

Adam Lawrence

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Re: 2025 Openings
« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2024, 04:10:36 PM »
Miakka is being designed by Dana Fry and Jason Straka. Paul Azinger is consulting, but he certainly isn't designing the courses.
Adam Lawrence

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Tom_Doak

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Re: 2025 Openings
« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2024, 07:35:33 PM »
Links Magazine has 14 new projects listed - https://linksmagazine.com/14-new-golf-projects-on-our-radar/

I am surprised at how many new courses are/have opened in the last few years.


LINKS Magazine [like many other golf publications] tends to highlight the places that pay them to do so.


I'd guess there are at least 50 new courses that will open in the USA in 2025. From my own stable, that includes Sandglass in FL and Childress Hall in TX.  [Each of them might technically open in December 2024, but they will be among the 2025 best new course candidates, along with High Pointe.]


It's possible that Punta Brava in Mexico and Cabot Highlands in Scotland will also open in 2025, but those are outside the USA, obviously.


And that's just me.  There are a lot of architects who have been very busy the past 2-3 years.

Paul Rudovsky

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Re: 2025 Openings
« Reply #10 on: August 27, 2024, 12:06:53 AM »
Folks---Go to our website:  fescue.github.io


There you will find the new courses, rebuilds, renovations, and restorations we expect to be completed in 2025-2029+.  You can sort this list by putting a "term" in the Search box on upper right ("term" can = Doak, or 2025, or New , or Hanse, or Texas, or Mexico etc.).  You can sub sort with arrows on top of each column.  I counted the following totals (USA includes 1 18 hole project in Puerto Rico):


project size.  USA.    Overseas.     Total
9 holes.          3.            3.              6
36 holes.        4.            2.              6
27 holes.        2.            1.              3
10 holes.                       1.              1
18 holes.       24           31             55


total
projects.       33           38             71


total "18
hole equiv"*  36.5.      38.6.         75.1


* 18 hole equivalents = total holes /18


so answer depends on what you mean by "courses" but USA answer could range from 33 to 36.5...but also note that Tom and I cannot possibly stay on top of status of some 550+ projects worldwide in terms of opening timing....and there is no doubt some of those listed will never finish and there are others that we are not aware of...but our bet is that this is pretty close as an estimate









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Chris Hughes

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Re: 2025 Openings
« Reply #11 on: August 27, 2024, 12:15:37 AM »
Links Magazine has 14 new projects listed - https://linksmagazine.com/14-new-golf-projects-on-our-radar/


I am surprised at how many new courses are/have opened in the last few years.


A subscription is necessary to open the link. I am surprised as well about the number of new courses, especially those that are national clubs.


Open on an iPad and quickly press the "reader" button -- will bypass the paywall.
"Is it the Chicken Salad or the golf course that attracts and retains members ?"

Paul Rudovsky

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Re: 2025 Openings
« Reply #12 on: August 27, 2024, 12:19:45 AM »
REGARDING MY REPLY #10 ABOVE:


Note that I have not checked to see if the projects mentioned in prior postings on this thread are currently included on "Fescue"...given that it is midnight and I need to be awake in  5 hours to drive to and play a restoration/renovation in CT on Tuesday...no apology offered. BUT WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE FEEDBACK REGARDING CANCELLED PROJECTS, PROJECTS WE MISSED, CHANGES IN SCHEDULED COMPLETION TIMING, ETC.  THIS IS AN OPEN PUBLIC WEBSITE WITH ACCESS FEE OF ZIPPO.
« Last Edit: August 27, 2024, 12:22:34 AM by Paul Rudovsky »

Chris Hughes

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Re: 2025 Openings
« Reply #13 on: August 27, 2024, 01:18:58 AM »
Folks---Go to our website:  fescue.github.io


There you will find the new courses, rebuilds, renovations, and restorations we expect to be completed in 2025-2029+. 


One heckuva website -- good onya mate!!
"Is it the Chicken Salad or the golf course that attracts and retains members ?"

Rick Sides

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Re: 2025 Openings
« Reply #14 on: August 27, 2024, 07:16:41 AM »
No mention of Trout National in south Jersey ?

Wayne_Kozun

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Re: 2025 Openings
« Reply #15 on: August 27, 2024, 08:50:51 AM »
Folks---Go to our website:  fescue.github.io
Quite a construction boom in Vietnam right now.

James Reader

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Re: 2025 Openings
« Reply #16 on: August 27, 2024, 08:59:33 AM »
Work has restarted (again) on the Feddinch site outside St Andrews. It seems they are aiming for a 2027 opening. Does anyone know whether the course is to be built to Tom Weiskopf’s plans or if there is a new architect involved?

Adam Lawrence

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Re: 2025 Openings
« Reply #17 on: August 27, 2024, 09:29:35 AM »
Work has restarted (again) on the Feddinch site outside St Andrews. It seems they are aiming for a 2027 opening. Does anyone know whether the course is to be built to Tom Weiskopf’s plans or if there is a new architect involved?

No. The project was sold last year to Alvarez and Marsal, the developers of Paa-Ko Ridge in New Mexico and Hog's Head in Ireland. There is a new course design, I do know who by but I have forgotten  :)

It won't be called Feddinch any more, and I think it will be a resort rather than a private club. See [size=78%]https://amgolf.consultationonline.co.uk[/size]
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Adam Lawrence

Editor, Golf Course Architecture
www.golfcoursearchitecture.net

Principal, Oxford Golf Consulting
www.oxfordgolfconsulting.com

Author, 'More Enduring Than Brass: a biography of Harry Colt' (forthcoming).

Short words are best, and the old words, when short, are the best of all.

Kevin_Reilly

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Re: 2025 Openings
« Reply #18 on: August 27, 2024, 10:45:51 AM »
I had never heard that A&M was in the golf development business.  On the plus side, if a project ends up in "workout" status, the mothership A&M (one of the top bankruptcy/turnaround advisors) can advise on finding owner #2 or #3.
"GOLF COURSES SHOULD BE ENJOYED RATHER THAN RATED" - Tom Watson

Daryl David

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Re: 2025 Openings
« Reply #19 on: August 27, 2024, 11:22:32 AM »
I had never heard that A&M was in the golf development business.  On the plus side, if a project ends up in "workout" status, the mothership A&M (one of the top bankruptcy/turnaround advisors) can advise on finding owner #2 or #3.




https://a-m-golf.com/

Paul Rudovsky

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Re: 2025 Openings
« Reply #20 on: August 27, 2024, 09:31:14 PM »
Folks---Go to our website:  fescue.github.io
Quite a construction boom in Vietnam right now.


True...also in Tennessee, Florida and Texas (states with low tax rates that have had a surge in population).  Absolutely ground to almost a total halt in Calif



Paul Rudovsky

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Re: 2025 Openings
« Reply #21 on: August 27, 2024, 09:36:55 PM »

No mention of Trout National in south Jersey ?

It is there...go to the opening page a put Trout National in the search box...it has a more extensive write up on the World Bucket List Tour (of new courses) that Tom put together

Paul Rudovsky

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Re: 2025 Openings
« Reply #22 on: August 27, 2024, 09:37:14 PM »

No mention of Trout National in south Jersey ?

It is there...go to the opening page a put Trout National in the search box...it has a more extensive write up on the World Bucket List Tour (of new courses) that Tom put together

Paul Rudovsky

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Re: 2025 Openings
« Reply #23 on: August 27, 2024, 10:06:23 PM »
For the courses mentioned in the above Posts (including the Links Magazine "14")...here is what Fescue has (btw...when searching for the Fescue website, you should use the full address:  https://fescue.github.io):





Links article “14”—


7 in agreement (Miakka/Wohali/The Rose/Contentment/Mapleton/Waterwound/Tepetonka


3 courses shown to open in '25 on LInks and Fescue has those three opening in ’24 (Solth/1876/Darmor)
Fescue has Rodeo Dunes I in ’26
Fescue has Kawonu in ’27
Fescue has Cypress Shoals as “proposed” (another GCA post says it is Dead in Water)
Fescue has Apogee South as ’24




other posts:
21 Club —agree
Old Sawmill-agree
Broomsedge—Fescue has it in ’24


TRout National ---see my post of about an hour ago
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Link article “14”—


7 in agreement (Miakka/Wohali/The Rose/Contentment/Mapleton/Waterwound/Tepetonka


3 LInks has in ’25 and Fescue has ’24 (Solth/1876/Darmor)
Fescue has Rodeo Dunes I in ’26 (sounds late to me)
Fescue has Kawonu in ’27
Fescue has Cypress Shoals as “proposed” (another GCA post says it is Dead in Water)
Fescue has Apogee South as ’24




other posts:
21 Club —agree
OLd Sawmill-agree
Broomsedge—Fescue has it in ’24

Duncan Cheslett

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Re: 2025 Openings
« Reply #24 on: Today at 12:47:43 AM »
Work has restarted (again) on the Feddinch site outside St Andrews. It seems they are aiming for a 2027 opening. Does anyone know whether the course is to be built to Tom Weiskopf’s plans or if there is a new architect involved?

No. The project was sold last year to Alvarez and Marsal, the developers of Paa-Ko Ridge in New Mexico and Hog's Head in Ireland. There is a new course design, I do know who by but I have forgotten  :)

It won't be called Feddinch any more, and I think it will be a resort rather than a private club. See [size=78%]https://amgolf.consultationonline.co.uk[/size]


They’re advertising for a head greenkeeper so things must be progressing apace…